I have been trying to get this site listed on Google for 2 YEARS.
I have paid literally a couple of thousand dollars over that time for adwords.
Thanks to the PM subscriptions I paid $150 for a program called VBSEO (Vbulletin search engine optimization)
And yesterday I discovered ST placement on google using my primary keywords.......page one, position 7 and 11 !!!
No more adwords!!!!!!!
You have no idea how happy this makes me.