[benk]

I agree that the great golfers never knew what plane they were on, and that David Tom's "feels" are probably differant, as is alot of 2 planers, than what Hardy Advertises. For the feels, you have to remember they are just that, Feels. He still does almost exactly what Hardy Emphasizes [ I'm not a 2 plane swing so I can not say that he is a perfect module ]. You can get to the same thing doing it 2 differant ways. When I was a 2 planer, I felt my body power my swing, then I changed to lettign the arms drop, because I was coming in too steep.

I also agree that most great golfers probably didn't know what plane they were on. That is what's so great about what Hardy has done. They basically found their swings through countless hours on the range, where hardy has broken it down what they did so well, so we don't have to do the same thing.

I think you are also confused about the fact that lots of the "hardy boys" do not do Hardy's one plane swing / 2 plane swing perfectly. Hardy isn't trying to make clones [ ahem, leadbetter ] of what he teaches, he's trying to do what is needed to get the ballfight wanted by the player. Which is why he never changed Peter's weight shift to the back leg, for example, because there was not need to.

You also must remember they are guildlines, its not set in stone. it is easier to do a 2 plane swing letting the hands drop and swinging with the arms for most people, as it is easier to swing more with the body with the 1 plane swing.

I don't think its the SECRET of golf, but I do think alot of what he believes in is revoulutionary. Why?? I had been going to a teacher that was a protege or Craig Harmon for a long time, and my thoughts were always "the harmons are the greatest, why doesn't everyone go to them". Then I went to an IU golf camp, and they told me things that were totaly differant than what the Harmons teach. I was confused, but he said this, but they said this?? He has split the fundementals up, so we don't have people teaching differant things all the time. Everyoen here knows they have gone to one guy and heard one thing, then gone to another and been told to do something differant. It's confusing!!

I also think the twist and throw [ which tiger got in his swing changes ] and the shallowing/steepening moves that Hardy talks about is also revoulutionary.

But everyone can think what they want. All I know is that going 1 way or another has helped every single person I've tried it on.