[benk]

Haney did work under hardy for awhile, he taught tiger Hardy's twist and throw, but I think their ideas about the golf swing are very differant. Haney believes in the shaft plane, where as hardy doesn't talk about it much. Hardy wants you to get your hands behind you early, where as haney [ as evidenced in tigers swing and Omeara ] has the hands in front. They both promote a flatter plane, and both promote also the T and T [ twist and throw ], but thats about it.

I do agree taht alot of people have advocated the flatter plane. But I have never seen anyone talk about swinging as left as possible after impact, and most of the people [ like haney ] who advocate the flatter plane advocate hands in front. I also think that Golf teaching today is 2 plane dominant [ leadbetter, though he might be changing again, harmon, smith, etc. ].

Chuck's videos have helped me, but he got his stuff from jim, though he has the differance of passive arms. And Hogan WAS the 1 plane swing. His book was very good, but I think he just said what his feels were and not what was actually happening in some of the things he said [ like his elbow getting in front ]. Trevor immelman is a 2 planer, notice how his hands are in front of him and how his takeaway is 2 plane also. He also drops his hands down into the slot. He also has a 2 plane top position, and a 2 plane release. But I think his swing as a 2 plane swing is great!!

I guess I can argue this all day, but the only reason I am is because all you guys have said is not the reasons that I have heard for people to not like Hardy. Alot of what you say, its the first time I've ever heard it. I think lots of your opinions have merit, but I also think that many people have taken what Hardy has said wrong. I think I probably would've also if a college coach didn't really recommend me to it, and his recomendation really got me to research the hell out of it.