Home Forum Links Directory Get your product reviewed Golf Shoes Pro Shop Arcade
Go Back   Shot Talk - Golf Forum > Equipment Talk > Equipment talk
Register Gallery FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
 
iTrader: (0)
#1 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2007, 09:27 PM
Bubble Head's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 230
Bubble Head is on a distinguished road
Cool Game Improvement Driver

So it is pretty easy to look at irons and know whether they are "players" clubs or game improvement. But drivers are all similar in shape and size and it isn't clear to us very high handicappers where we should even start.

So the questions for all of you are:

What are the top 3 game improvement drivers to come out in the last 5 years?


How much extra loft should I accept to get a little more foregiveness?
__________________
TM R7 10.5* NVS R75 shaft
CB1 NV65R 18*
Nickent 3DX hybrids 21.5* and 26* NV75-R
Nike CPR irons 5(27*)-PW(48*) steel
Nike SV 52/10, 56/14 w60/8 wedges
SeeMore Original Mallet
Nike Powersoft Balls
Location: Portland Oregon
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (0)
#2 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2007, 09:40 PM
warbirdlover's Avatar
Ender of all threads
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 10,131
warbirdlover is on a distinguished road
Drivers are usually not classified as game improvement or players clubs like irons but there are still some that are more forgiving then others....

The square drivers from Nike and Callaway (Integer Quadratic also) could be called game improvement drivers as is the HiBore since they are more forgiving on mishits. (Even though K. J. Choi uses a Nike Sumo squared driver).

Higher loft does not necessarily equate to more forgiveness. You can get into "ballooning" etc because more loft equals more spin (I hope that's right).

I really think most drivers (other then many TaylorMade) are made to work well for both high and low handicappers.

You should get on a launch monitor and find the loft, shaft flex that puts the ball into a 14º-16º launch angle, gives the highest ball speed and 3000 rpm or less ball spin and goes straight most of the time. Then the rest is up to you.
__________________
What's In the Bag
Ping G10 10.5º w/ reg TFC 129D
Maltby KE4 3-wood 14º w/ stiff BB Solutions 130
Nickent 3DX DC Ironwood 20º & 23º w/ stiff NVS Hybrid
Ping S59 3-PW w/ stiff Nippon PRO 950GH
Titleist Vokey Spin Milled 56º wedge
Ping i-Series Anser 35"
Ogio Atlas Golf Bag
TaylorMade Tour Red ball

Location: southeastern Wisconsin
Low 18: 79 (four times)
Low 9: 36
Hdcp: 10.5
Aces: 1

Last edited by warbirdlover; 03-13-2007 at 09:43 PM..
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (4)
#3 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2007, 09:45 PM
ezra76's Avatar
I need a new Futon
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 10,293
ezra76 is on a distinguished road
IMO, the last five years, game improvements... I'd choose the Hibore and the R580XD. I can only base this on what I've hit and those were the 2 most forgiving.
__________________
Hello Acushnet

Cobra SpeedPro D 10.5 VS Proto 65-S
Cobra SpeedPro 15* VS Proto 85-S
Titleist 704CB 2i-PW
Vokey SM 54*
Vokey SM 60*
Rife 2bar Hybrid
Ogio Vaporlite Stand bag

Hndcp - 10.7 Singles are Coming
Location - Providence, RI
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (0)
#4 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2007, 09:51 PM
Jules150's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 630
Jules150 is on a distinguished road
905r, r7 460. Ive hit both and both are high launching and forgiving on mis-hits
__________________
905r nv
Bridgestone 15 vs proto
Adam Idea 18 vs proto
Rac Lt 3-pw
Rac black 52 and 58
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (0)
#5 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2007, 09:52 PM
hypergolf's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 259
hypergolf is on a distinguished road
Driver

I think some drivers such as Cobra or Ping comes out with offset models which could be considered as game improvement clubs. Also, beginners slice a lot usually due to the out to in swing plane so choosing a closed club face would be ideal in this case like the r7 Draw. Finally, another consideration to brand it as a game improvement club for driver is to choose a regular flex shaft since the swing speed might not be at 100+ as a beginner.

But as a beginner, I personally don't think you really need a driver. My handicap is 15 but I play without a driver (Solely because my caddy accidentally broke it...). Waiting for a replacement driver to fill my bag when 907s are launched in April.

Edit: My first driver was 10.5 degrees and it started off fine. After that I used 9.5 when I got better. Hope this helps.
__________________
-------------------
Driver: Ping G10 9º w/ Grafalloy Prolaunch Red Stiff
Wood: Ping G10 15.5º w/ Grafalloy Prolaunch Red Stiff
Wood: Ping G10 18.5º w/ Grafalloy Prolaunch Red Stiff
Irons: Mizuno MP60 3-PW w/ Dynamic Gold Sensicore S300
Wedge: Titleist Vokey 200 Series 52-08
Wedge: Titleist Vokey Spin Milled 58-08
Putter: Titleist Scotty Cameron Studio Style Newport 2

Last edited by hypergolf; 03-13-2007 at 09:55 PM..
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (0)
#6 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2007, 10:17 PM
warbirdlover's Avatar
Ender of all threads
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 10,131
warbirdlover is on a distinguished road
Quote:
I think some drivers such as Cobra or Ping comes out with offset models which could be considered as game improvement clubs.
hypergolf
Good point. IF there is such a thing as a game improvement driver it would be (other then the square jobs) the offset or "draw" or "fade" models which compensate for the golfers swing problems. (I don't agree on regular flex being game improvement. Lot's of excellent golfers get old and they'll take those regular flex shafts and show you how this game is supposed to be played... Shaft flex is matched to swing speed and has nothing to do with forgiveness).


So, to me, a game improvement driver would be one with an offset or weighting to give it draw or fade bias to compensate for golfers swing problems. Hey, maybe we could classify TM R7's in here since they have moveable weights to do the same thing. Nah... (Just kidding Ez, couldn't resist)....
__________________
What's In the Bag
Ping G10 10.5º w/ reg TFC 129D
Maltby KE4 3-wood 14º w/ stiff BB Solutions 130
Nickent 3DX DC Ironwood 20º & 23º w/ stiff NVS Hybrid
Ping S59 3-PW w/ stiff Nippon PRO 950GH
Titleist Vokey Spin Milled 56º wedge
Ping i-Series Anser 35"
Ogio Atlas Golf Bag
TaylorMade Tour Red ball

Location: southeastern Wisconsin
Low 18: 79 (four times)
Low 9: 36
Hdcp: 10.5
Aces: 1

Last edited by warbirdlover; 03-13-2007 at 10:24 PM..
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (5)
#7 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2007, 10:38 PM
Rockford35's Avatar
Yes, I am wearing Ecco
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 16,544
Images: 7
Rockford35 is on a distinguished road
Forgiving?

Cleveland HiBore
Callaway Big Bertha 460
Ping G2

R35
__________________
FT-i Tour N 9.5 Matrix Ozik F6M2
Tour Edge Exotics 3+ Accuflex Evolution S
Tour Edge Exotics 5 Accuflex Evolution S
Nakashima NP-1 Tour Forged 3-PW FST Pro 115
Nakashima NP-1 Tour Forged 56* and 60* FST Pro 115
Odyssey White Hot #2 35"

TLT'd

John "Bravo" Carl Bretz 1955-2008

A donut with no hole, is a danish...
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (4)
#8 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2007, 10:51 PM
ezra76's Avatar
I need a new Futon
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 10,293
ezra76 is on a distinguished road
Also I would add that having hit both quite a bit, a Hibore 10.5* would be equal to approximately an R7 quad 11.5*. It launches the ball pretty well.

If you are interested in a Hibore just say the word. Between my and Rock we could find a 10.5 with pretty much any shaft Golfworks or Golfsmith sells for under $100 for like $125.
__________________
Hello Acushnet

Cobra SpeedPro D 10.5 VS Proto 65-S
Cobra SpeedPro 15* VS Proto 85-S
Titleist 704CB 2i-PW
Vokey SM 54*
Vokey SM 60*
Rife 2bar Hybrid
Ogio Vaporlite Stand bag

Hndcp - 10.7 Singles are Coming
Location - Providence, RI
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (5)
#9 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2007, 10:51 PM
Rockford35's Avatar
Yes, I am wearing Ecco
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 16,544
Images: 7
Rockford35 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by ezra76 View Post
Also I would add that having hit both quite a bit, a Hibore 10.5* would be equal to approximately an R7 quad 11.5*. It launches the ball pretty well.

If you are interested in a Hibore just say the word. Between my and Rock we could find a 10.5 with pretty much any shaft Golfworks or Golfsmith sells for under $100 for like $125.
Super easy. Lots around.

R35
__________________
FT-i Tour N 9.5 Matrix Ozik F6M2
Tour Edge Exotics 3+ Accuflex Evolution S
Tour Edge Exotics 5 Accuflex Evolution S
Nakashima NP-1 Tour Forged 3-PW FST Pro 115
Nakashima NP-1 Tour Forged 56* and 60* FST Pro 115
Odyssey White Hot #2 35"

TLT'd

John "Bravo" Carl Bretz 1955-2008

A donut with no hole, is a danish...
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (0)
#10 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2007, 11:04 PM
lildudejds's Avatar
Thats a gimme....
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 403
lildudejds is on a distinguished road
the key is just to get one fitted to you that meets your EXACT requirments. Shaft flex, shaft length, ect.
__________________
Cleveland Launcher 2006 ti460 9.5
Raven Hawk Pro irons
Odyssey White XG #6
Nike CPR 22deg Utility
Golden Bear BC02 56deg
Cleveland CG10 60deg

Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (0)
#11 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2007, 11:56 PM
Bubble Head's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 230
Bubble Head is on a distinguished road
The fact that so many people are bringing up so many drivers tells me that I should just keep working on hitting the 10.5* r7 460 and 12* R540 that I have.

Just tell me to "shut up and hit."
__________________
TM R7 10.5* NVS R75 shaft
CB1 NV65R 18*
Nickent 3DX hybrids 21.5* and 26* NV75-R
Nike CPR irons 5(27*)-PW(48*) steel
Nike SV 52/10, 56/14 w60/8 wedges
SeeMore Original Mallet
Nike Powersoft Balls
Location: Portland Oregon
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (5)
#12 (permalink)  
Old 03-14-2007, 12:02 AM
Rockford35's Avatar
Yes, I am wearing Ecco
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 16,544
Images: 7
Rockford35 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubble Head View Post
The fact that so many people are bringing up so many drivers tells me that I should just keep working on hitting the 10.5* r7 460 and 12* R540 that I have.

Just tell me to "shut up and hit."
Or that. LOL.

R35
__________________
FT-i Tour N 9.5 Matrix Ozik F6M2
Tour Edge Exotics 3+ Accuflex Evolution S
Tour Edge Exotics 5 Accuflex Evolution S
Nakashima NP-1 Tour Forged 3-PW FST Pro 115
Nakashima NP-1 Tour Forged 56* and 60* FST Pro 115
Odyssey White Hot #2 35"

TLT'd

John "Bravo" Carl Bretz 1955-2008

A donut with no hole, is a danish...
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (3)
#13 (permalink)  
Old 03-14-2007, 12:13 AM
chemboy2's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,214
Images: 2
chemboy2 is on a distinguished road
I don't think you're going to do much better than the r7 460 at 10.5*.
__________________
PING Rapture 9* -- Aldila VS Proto 65
Bridgestone J33 15*-- Evolution
Sonartec SS-02 19* -- Prolaunch Blue (for Bravo!)
PING G10 Hybrid 21* -- AWT
PING G2 4HL, G5 5i, i5 6-9/U -- AWT
PING iWedge 54*, Tour-W 58/06 -- AWT
SC Studio Style Newport 2


San Jose, CA
"The future is no place for your better days"
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (2)
#14 (permalink)  
Old 03-14-2007, 11:41 AM
MCDavis's Avatar
The Plaid Duffer
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 4,469
MCDavis is on a distinguished road
R580 XD or G5...both at 10.5º...these are easy to hit drivers. R580 XD is fairly cheap at $150 brand new retail.

That 12º R540 should also be pretty easy to hit.
__________________
In the Ogio Vaporlite:
G5 10.5º G10 17º G10 21º i3 3-PW rac Black TP 52º & 56º YES! Callie Putter

I quit this game once...now I'm back...how dumb am I?
Quote:
Originally Posted by SiberianDVM
Once again, Shottalk spirals into The Twilight Zone...........................
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (0)
#15 (permalink)  
Old 03-14-2007, 01:10 PM
FKA19's Avatar
winter ho'in
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,202
FKA19 is on a distinguished road
toss a good shaft into a 580xd and that club is a beast. it came out in 2003, and i have yet to hit a combo with a better balance of feel,accuracy, and distance than my 580xd with the ys6+ stiff.
__________________
WITB

Driver:
Cobra X-Speed Pro-D 9.5* Redboard 63X

3Wood:
Titleist 906F2 15* - UST V2 85-S

Hybrid:
Titleist 585H 21* - Aldila NV 85-S

Irons:
Cleveland TA2 4-PW DG S300

Wedges:
Titleist Vokey Oil Can 52*
Titleist Vokey Oil Can 58*

Putter:
Scotty Cameron PP Laguna

Cap: 6.8

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New driver hunt 2 Andy299 Equipment talk 15 07-19-2007 07:29 PM
A Game of Give and Take threefiveseven Shot Talk 12 06-10-2007 03:02 AM
10.5 vs 11.5 degree Driver? Chas Shot Talk 34 12-18-2005 11:49 AM
1000 CC Driver...Why? cyberious Equipment talk 11 11-30-2005 05:09 PM
Frustration at lack of improvement Silver Shot Talk 16 02-27-2005 11:11 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:54 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC8
Copyright © 2004 -2008 shottalk.com