Grafalloy Shafts

[papperlapub]

Hi folks,

another thread on shafts.

How would you guys compare the Grafalloy Blue and The Grafalloy Prototype Comp 65 NT?

Which one is better? Lighter? Etc.


On the Blue - What is the Standard Tip? 0,335 or 0,35?

[dave.]

No such thing as better

[warbirdlover]

The two are quite similar in launch angle (mid) and tip stiffness. The Ping pro I go to has the blue stiff in his G2 and he put a Comp NT regular in my Launcher but tipped it 1-1/4" which put it into the middle of the stiff range. He hit them both and said they felt the same except the Comp NT felt much lighter. He hit the Comp NT straight down the middle over 300 yards five straight times with no practice swing. I think both shafts are made for someone with a pretty good swing like his. I could hit the most spectacular drives of my life with it about one in five. The other four weren't as good or straight as my Ping G5 with the ProLaunch regular. I like my ProLaunch since it seems very forgiving.

[bames]

Originally Posted by warbirdlover

I like my ProLaunch since it seems very forgiving.

I will vouch for the ProLaunch any day, I have one in my 983 and in my G5 hybrid, it is a great shaft.

[ualtim]

Blue is a low-trajectory shaft.

Comp NT is a mid-trajectory shaft.

Comp NT has a better feel to it (to me anyway) but I use both depending on which driver I am using. The Blue is really tip stiff so you probably should go at least one flex down if you purchase one. The NT is also a bit tip stiff, but not as much as the Blue. If you are looking for a higher trajectory, the Pro Launch may be the answer.

[BigJim13]

I have the blue in my Mizuno Mp-001. It definitely took some getting used to but once i did...man what a great shaft. One thing i did was add some led tape just below the grip, i felt it was to light for me at 63g. Anyway, it would seem to favor a consistent faster swing...

[warbirdlover]

Sorry but both blue and comp nt are mid-trajectory shafts according to my Ping pro and the Grafalloy website. The ProLaunch is high-trajectory.

http://www.grafalloy.com/grafalloy/blue.asp

http://www.grafalloy.com/grafalloy/compnt.asp

http://www.grafalloy.com/grafalloy/iprolaunch.asp

ProLaunch Red is their low-trajectory shaft

http://www.grafalloy.com/grafalloy/prolaunchred.asp



The Blue and ProLaunch regular flex both play more like stiff. The NT swing speed range is 95-105 mph for the stiff which is different then the 100-110 mph for the other two. I think both the blue and the NT favor a consistent faster swing. I was not able to supply that, LOL.

[Rockford35]

Originally Posted by papperlapub

Hi folks,

another thread on shafts.

How would you guys compare the Grafalloy Blue and The Grafalloy Prototype Comp 65 NT?

Which one is better? Lighter? Etc.


On the Blue - What is the Standard Tip? 0,335 or 0,35?

The Graf Blue and the NT have the same tip section. It actually indicates it on the NT on the graphics. The butt section feels a little softer in the NT, which gives it a bit more "feel". The Blue, which has been described as "boardy" or "like rebar" by many, is a mid trajectory shaft that plays stiffer than indicated flex on average. The NT, however, plays more to flex and has a bit better feel through impact. Both are mid launch, which has been touched on already (thanks WBL).

Both are 65g if you buy them in the 65g variety. (sorry, that was too easy)

There is no "standard" when it comes to tip size. Your driver head dictates what shaft goes into what head.

R35

[papperlapub]

Assume guys,

thanks a lot. I think I got enough tips and explanations to order my favorite now.

Thanks again

[ualtim]

Originally Posted by warbirdlover

Sorry but both blue and comp nt are mid-trajectory shafts according to my Ping pro and the Grafalloy website. The ProLaunch is high-trajectory.

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Interesting. I am holding in my hands a brochure that Graffalloy sent to me that lists the Blue as a low trajectory, the NT as a mid trajectory, and the ProLaunch as a high trajectory. The brochure is from earlier in the spring so I am wondering if they are changing their marketing with the introduction of the Red?

The Blue is definitely a low trajectory for me, but maybe the Red is lower?

[warbirdlover]

My teaching pro and R35 will both say they're mid. I've never hit one so only can go by what I read and people say. I know R35 uses a very low loft on his driver and if it were low I would think he'd hit worm burners. Also know nothing about the red.

[Rockford35]

Originally Posted by ualtim

The brochure is from earlier in the spring so I am wondering if they are changing their marketing with the introduction of the Red?

The Blue is definitely a low trajectory for me, but maybe the Red is lower?

'Tim,

Both of the Blues I have are Mid Bend/Launch. One is from 2003, the other is from this year. The stiff tip section makes them a higher swing speed shaft, which means they play stiffer to flex than others out there. Which, for many, may be percieved as "low launch" as they don't have the SS to get the ball airborne.

Here's the specs on the blue from Grafalloy. It's been mid for as long as I've known of them.

Grafalloy Blue Specs

I do play 8.5* loft on my driver and I have ZERO problems getting the ball airborne.

R35

[VtDivot]

Originally Posted by Rockford35

The butt section feels a little softer in the NT, which gives it a bit more "feel". The Blue, which has been described as "boardy" or "like rebar" by many, is a mid trajectory shaft that plays stiffer than indicated flex on average. The NT, however, plays more to flex and has a bit better feel through impact.

I gotta try one of them NT's that sounds like a nice setup

[ualtim]

I know what Grafalloy is saying now, but prior to the release of the Red all their materials listed it as a lower launch shaft.

Personally, I do not use a shaft manufacturers material when determining a shaft's properties as they tend to change what they say about them depending on what the market wants to hear.

I go to the Golfsmith web site and use their properties as they independantly test the shafts for the properties including swing speed and flight profiles. If you check out their numbers, they have not changed on the Blue since it was released. Grafalloy's data has changed to reflect what the market wants to hear.

Blue

Comp NT

From my personal experience, I have found the Blue to be a lower trajectory launch than the Comp NT. Your golf pro and Grafalloy may say differently, but thats the way they have worked out for me (amazingly similar to what the Golfsmith numbers suggested that they would be.)

[Rockford35]

Originally Posted by ualtim

From my personal experience, I have found the Blue to be a lower trajectory launch than the Comp NT. Your golf pro and Grafalloy may say differently, but thats the way they have worked out for me (amazingly similar to what the Golfsmith numbers suggested that they would be.)

Fair enough. Funny how even the same shaft can work almost exactly the opposite for two different players. That really goes to show how many options there really are out there.

R35