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[ezra76]

Here is a video I took at the range. Twofast crushing that Hibore and my ugly swing somehow all coming together at impact for a 270yd. slight pull dead up the middle. You can figure out who is who. This is the last few balls of our 3rd and final buckets, we probably should have done this after about 30 rather than 230 swings. Comments welcomed as usual.

http://media.putfile.com/swings107

[JEFF4i]

You are going pretty far back, ever consider shortening up the backswing?

Also, in your follow through, for an arc swinger, it really seems to be swinging around your body, instead of down. This could, considering you are an arc swinger, be a cause of a snap-hook.

[ezra76]

I'd assume you are talking to me? If so that backswing has been shortened, did you see the swing from the summer. Also, check my sig, "The Beast" couldn't snap hook that shaft. That's why I like it, virtually impossible to go left. I've hit maybe 6 shots out of 6000 left since I got it. I can handle a push, a dead pull is usually 3 off the tee time or unplayable lie.



To keep this simple... Just give 2fast some feedback. I'm still working on the same old things, slowly but surely.

[JEFF4i]

Oh okay okay okay. Let me watch again...

Okay, I really like his backswing, looks solid. Good shoulder turn, weight shift to the back. However, the arms seem kind of stiff in the follow-through. They also lead the body, which normally, you see the body leading in the down-swing, which usually translates into more distance. Perhaps a slightly stronger shift to the back, weight-wise. He actually also seems to be using his arms to swing around his body, and the rest is just following.

All in all, it looks like a really solid swing though. I'm just saying from personal experience, I've improved from shifting the emphasis of distance from arms/upper boddy to my core/legs.

[twofast2s]

Oh okay okay okay. Let me watch again...

Okay, I really like his backswing, looks solid. Good shoulder turn, weight shift to the back. However, the arms seem kind of stiff in the follow-through. They also lead the body, which normally, you see the body leading in the down-swing, which usually translates into more distance. Perhaps a slightly stronger shift to the back, weight-wise. He actually also seems to be using his arms to swing around his body, and the rest is just following.

All in all, it looks like a really solid swing though. I'm just saying from personal experience, I've improved from shifting the emphasis of distance from arms/upper boddy to my core/legs.

thanks for the analysis.

i actually tried to initiate my down swing w/ unwinding my shoulder, but i guess my arm got ahead of me. i also tried to stiffen up my elbow (just little bit) to have consistant impact length. how should i let my core initiate the down swing?

thanks again!

oh and thanks ez for putting this up for me.

[JEFF4i]

Well, I usually lead through with my knees, as you can see with my avatar.

The arm is a funny creature with a golf swing. Ideally, you want your left arm to stay stiff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy9GTAENiJA

Tiger does it, but look at how he is coming on his downswing. Now don't get me wrong, there are many swings out there that are just as good as Tiger's, just saying, it's the modern swing many are modeled after. Anyway, his arm stays stiff, but it still looks like it's pulling down and into the ground.

I guess what I'm getting at is that your strong arm move isn't necessarily a bad thing, but rather, perhaps some work on the body to bring the rest of it to that level.

Leading with the knees can usually help, but pre-empt it with a shift backwards and around in your body. Once again, note Tiger doesn't just teeter back, he shifts back, and around.

[ezra76]

No problem... get back to your books now. It's looking pretty good though, huh.

[JEFF4i]

Sorry about my whole jumble earlier. Trying to get too many thoughts out. Okay, I think a nice way to summarize, and this is not totally original, I just forget who on here I got it from, is this:

Imagine your spine as a pole. Your legs, core, and arms, are moving around it. Wind up like a slinky, and then release. However, don't wind beyond your control point.

Though, I feel that Preperation H feels good on the whole. Er....I mean, both swings look really good!

[twofast2s]

i wish i could stopping looking at tiger's swing over and over and over...

[solarbear88]

The last one was amusing, but the middle 2 look reasonable. You look uncomfortable with that slow backswing. You need to find your own tempo.

A shorter backswing would work wonders for you and fix alot of problems. Your backswing should go back about as far as Badleys does now.... once you go back further you pull your spine off line.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSAvo1Y_30U

The advice to turn around your spine was solid.

[LyleG]

The last one was amusing, but the middle 2 look reasonable. You look uncomfortable with that slow backswing. You need to find your own tempo.

I was thinking the same thing.

Having a slow backswing is fine if it blends with your transition and downswing. Yours seems very forced, and this seems to result is a bit of a rush at the top.

I thinking bringing the club back at a more natural pace would help you immensely.

[Fastback]

yeah, i initially thought the vid was in slow motion until the downswing.. quite a large contrast in speed

[ezra76]

In his defense I broke out the camera after we hit over 200 balls and had been having a little HiBore vs. R510TP contest... my back is killing me. He normally has a little faster tempo in the backswing but it is still quite a bit slower than that downswing. I've noticed him doing the same thing with the irons and it seems to lead to some inconsistancy.

If you guys didn't notice, the last one is obviously me. A few questions on mine. What is your opinion of the look of my grip. I've weakened to the point where it looks near what the Hogan book says. I've seen some good results in accuracy now that I'm getting used to it.

Also, what should I work on next? I've been working on getting my left shoulder behind the ball (left shoulder right knee) and dropping my hands on the downswing. I try to put right elbow into my right pocket and swing about 30* to the right, extending my right hand/arm down that line. Like if I were to hitting a tennis racket. I know it still looks a little ugly but to be honest I'm hitting the most accurate drives ever and my irons are just a given. I could hit 1000 iron shots and mistrike maybe 5. I don't hit that many irons at the range because it's just boring. Thanks.

[JEFF4i]

Is it just me or is that right hand a wee bit weak? And by wee bit, I mean a lot.

I'm just wary, because from the look of it, you keep trying to over-correct a draw/hook with other things. Once you get your body to fall behind the ball, like you are working on, those may cause a problem.

[ezra76]

I'll have my girlfriend take a picture of my grip later. It's actually probably a bit weak now. Before it was ridiculously strong. I now hit a stock fade and it's a small one. Could also be part of the reason why setting up closed is working so well.
I broke my vid down frame by frame and I am not exactly sure what's up. I see my shoulder rotation kind of just stops at some point, my right hip moves lateral and take the club past parallel. Almost as if at the top I do some sort of lift and then have to cast OTT to get back on the downswing. Weird how look and feel can be so off. I feel like I'm swinging much different than that for sure.

For it to look like that though there has to be some classic flaw. What is it and what is the correction? Basically, if I came to you for a lesson, belted 3 275 yd. drives dead up the middle with that swing. What would be the 1st thing you would try to change?

Patience is a big problem also. I just can't keep trying to do something when I'm hitting the ball like crap. That's what kind of happened with my last "lesson". I couldn't hit anything less than a 9iron decent, went back to this and I can at least "play golf" with it rather than looking for balls, hacking 7irons and trying to rub skymarks out of TP drivers.