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[ezra76]

Originally Posted by charnockpro

Although i think that the 9-3 drill is a good one, it is maybe not the source of his problem, i think the way he is set up doesnt help, but his hips are already pre-turned a little by standing shut, and when you add in the normal hip turn it creates not a great x factor at the top due to lack of lower body resistance due to overturning early on, his body is reacting to the target by trying to swing towards it which causes the re-route and makes him look trapped at impact, getting correct alignment will help and also firming up his leg action will help, and will more than likely shorten his arm swing.

The reverse K setup is similar to Gary Edwins way of thinking and is maybe not the correct set up dynamics for someone his size.

I agree that shoulders shut to target is a problem. The setup is basically to pull the ball at the target and he's all over it from the get go. I didn't even look at DTL but if I do I know what I'll see. The swing plane is going to be about 2feet outside of the ball and a total "chickenwing" breakdown to get back inside and make contact. IMO the reverse K is good to get the hands ahead at impact naturally, if the lead hip is maintained the hands should lead the clubhead every time. The only possible miss should be a thin shot, fat shot should be near impossible. The setup and swingplane is another issue. Posture, stance and ball position all need to be adressed. He says he's hitting fat shot and hooks and the setup is just predetermining those shots. Anything straight is just a massive save really. For 6iron the ball is in about SW ball position for me with a SW stance width as well.

As far as Bubba Watson, not the swing to copy. Take a look at his grip sometime. It's the most ridiclous strong grip you'll ever see. Sure he rips it but how many cuts does he make? He plays a superstrong grip and a wide open fade. Copy that position and you'll run out of balls by the 4th hole.

$2 Nassua, don't get down on criticisms. It's all contrusctive. I've been through the same thing, over and over again. I'm also building a better swing, little by little, piece by piece. It's not easy but when you start going out, feel like you didn't even hit the ball all that well but end up 2-3 strokes under your handicap, it's a good feeling. For me it's getting to the point that 90 will be the new 100 pretty soon, a score I just cannot go over on my very worst day on the hardest course around. My swing is just too sound to hit that many poor shots a round. Keep at it man.

[$2 Nassau]

Hey- no worries guys. I wouldn't have posted my swing if I didn't think there would be some criticism. That's kind of the whole point.

EZRA - if you get the chance, please look at the DTL shot(posted below). I think you'll find just the opposite, the swing plane too much to the inside (at least that is what I'm told). I don't see the chickenwing personally, but who knows.

I definitely "quit" on the shot, in my opinion anyway. When my hands get down to about my right thigh, they just stop. Then the swatting occurs, the wrist angle breaks down and unless I raise my body and arms that club will bottom well behind the ball. I've hit more fat shots in my life than I care to discuss. LOL

Camera angle is a little off on these...basically I pointed the camera down the target line and then lined up the ball in that line, instead of my body. So basically it's DTL of the ball and with an angled view at my body. I'm set up closed, but not quite as closed as it looks.(checked it with a club after reviewing the vids quickly on the course.)

Also - on the face on 6iron shot, the angle is a little off as well. The ball is actually in the center of my stance, maybe even slightly ahead - the camera is set up slightly in front of me. Need to do better camera work next time. LOL

DTL- 6iron

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DTL - Driver

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[niblick]

Originally Posted by ezra76

As far as Bubba Watson, not the swing to copy. Take a look at his grip sometime. It's the most ridiclous strong grip you'll ever see. Sure he rips it but how many cuts does he make? He plays a superstrong grip and a wide open fade. Copy that position and you'll run out of balls by the 4th hole.

No one was advocating copying his grip, or his overall swing for that matter. Merely adding an example to a point made by a previous posted about hip rotation.

And lots of guys have played great with strong grips.

Bubba has made 10/16 cuts with a top 10 and 4 top 25s. 95th on the money list. Not turning the Tour upside down by any stretch, but it's not like he's flailing around out there.

[niblick]

You're a pretty tall guy... take a look at Stewart Cink.

[$2 Nassau]

Originally Posted by niblick

You're a pretty tall guy... take a look at Stewart Cink.

Cink and I are basically the exact same size, both height and weight. I'm a little under 6'4". We are both going bald too. He is just a little better at golf than I am.

Can't view you tube at work, but that prompted me to look at other pics / vids of his swing. His set up position is what I first noticed, he takes a very athletic set up with very sharp, defined angles and then basically swings underneath himself.

This is with an iron, looks to be a short iron. Vid is at the bottom of the page. You have to right click on the vid for the controls.

Stewart Cink's Golf Swing

[ezra76]

Originally Posted by niblick

No one was advocating copying his grip, or his overall swing for that matter. Merely adding an example to a point made by a previous posted about hip rotation.

And lots of guys have played great with strong grips.

Bubba has made 10/16 cuts with a top 10 and 4 top 25s. 95th on the money list. Not turning the Tour upside down by any stretch, but it's not like he's flailing around out there.

I understand. My point with his swing is that he has this ridiculous strong grip so he can hit a straight (still a cut actually) shot with the hips that wide open at impact. If I did that it would be off the golf course, breaking windows 3 blocks away right. It's a homegrown golfswing that works due to so many variations of fundamentals counteracting each other. When he's on, he bombs it. When he's off, he misses cuts with 84's and crap.

[ezra76]

Originally Posted by $2 Nassau

Hey- no worries guys. I wouldn't have posted my swing if I didn't think there would be some criticism. That's kind of the whole point.

EZRA - if you get the chance, please look at the DTL shot(posted below). I think you'll find just the opposite, the swing plane too much to the inside (at least that is what I'm told). I don't see the chickenwing personally, but who knows.

I definitely "quit" on the shot, in my opinion anyway. When my hands get down to about my right thigh, they just stop. Then the swatting occurs, the wrist angle breaks down and unless I raise my body and arms that club will bottom well behind the ball. I've hit more fat shots in my life than I care to discuss. LOL

Camera angle is a little off on these...basically I pointed the camera down the target line and then lined up the ball in that line, instead of my body. So basically it's DTL of the ball and with an angled view at my body. I'm set up closed, but not quite as closed as it looks.(checked it with a club after reviewing the vids quickly on the course.)

Also - on the face on 6iron shot, the angle is a little off as well. The ball is actually in the center of my stance, maybe even slightly ahead - the camera is set up slightly in front of me. Need to do better camera work next time. LOL

DTL- 6iron

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DTL - Driver

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The guy who analyzed the 6i DTL got it. I'm saying that at the top, to swing down onplane, the ball would have to be like 2ft. further away from you. That's what I meant by outside. I'll go back in and stop where the "chickenwing" is if you want. It's actually very severe. If you can get those things worked out you'll be able to free up a lot of power, hit irons a lot longer and the same distance and trajectory consistantly.

[niblick]

Originally Posted by ezra76

I understand. My point with his swing is that he has this ridiculous strong grip so he can hit a straight (still a cut actually) shot with the hips that wide open at impact. If I did that it would be off the golf course, breaking windows 3 blocks away right. It's a homegrown golfswing that works due to so many variations of fundamentals counteracting each other. When he's on, he bombs it. When he's off, he misses cuts with 84's and crap.

You know, now that you say that, something I noticed while watching him play makes sense. When he could get the driver out, he was just sick. Little draws, baby cuts, high straight bombs, and every one was DEEP. He was consistently past Moore and Badds by 30-40 yards. Even hit it off the deck a couple times about 290 in the air. With driver he can let those hips go.

But then he'd step up to a 120 yard approach with a sand wedge and miss the green 10 yards to the left. Makes sense because he's having to keep his lower body more quiet on those shots, so fighting the strong grip causes him to shove it occasionally.

[ezra76]

Nassua, I put some more in on the face on 6iron. I don't want to get you upset or discouraged. None of us has a perfect or even a really good golf swing. If we did, we'd have been in the US Open qualifier, right? It's just a matter of pointing out fundamental flaws and giving you some help. Your downswing starts out looking good. Good lag and potential for a lot of power. Into impact it all goes to he!! for lack of a better description. Everything gets cramped up and flipped in an effort to get back to the ball. It's not that big a deal, very fixable and won't take you that long. I wouldn't bother posting a response if I didn't want to see you get better.

Oh, another thing. I was trying to explain extension in the analysis on the 6i. Take a look at my avatar. It's not perfect by any means but the arms are in front of the chest and pretty good extension. That's a 3iron about 210 on the fly. In your video you just stop rotation and flip through the ball with an arms swing. It's almost all due to being right on top of the ball at adress and having to get back to it at impact. If you work on it, you'll be able to rotate through the ball with your whole body. You'll add a ton of yardage, like 1 1/2 to 2 clubs probably with irons.

[ezra76]

Originally Posted by niblick

You know, now that you say that, something I noticed while watching him play makes sense. When he could get the driver out, he was just sick. Little draws, baby cuts, high straight bombs, and every one was DEEP. He was consistently past Moore and Badds by 30-40 yards. Even hit it off the deck a couple times about 290 in the air. With driver he can let those hips go.

But then he'd step up to a 120 yard approach with a sand wedge and miss the green 10 yards to the left. Makes sense because he's having to keep his lower body more quiet on those shots, so fighting the strong grip causes him to shove it occasionally.

Then there is Badds... Stack and tilt. Timing off there and the arms are swinging fast into a stalled left hip with all the bodyweight over it. Sionara long left baby. It's not that these guys aren't great golfers, just a lot easier for guys like me to stick with simple fundamentals. My goal is to get to a low single or scratch golfer in the next 5-6yrs.. It's acheivable with a fundamentally sound swing. I don't want to go throwing a bunch of semi-radical moves into it at this point.

[$2 Nassau]

Originally Posted by ezra76

The guy who analyzed the 6i DTL got it. I'm saying that at the top, to swing down onplane, the ball would have to be like 2ft. further away from you. That's what I meant by outside. I'll go back in and stop where the "chickenwing" is if you want. It's actually very severe. If you can get those things worked out you'll be able to free up a lot of power, hit irons a lot longer and the same distance and trajectory consistantly.

Just reviewed it. Thanks again!! By chickenwing I thought you meant a flying elbow at the top/start of the backswing on the DTL shot. But you obviously meant the "wing" on the follow through when the arms collapse and fold. That is spot on - absolutely the definition of a chicken wing.

I see myself just quitting on the shot. No rotation of the body and extension of the arms through impact at all.

And by the way...stop apologizing for the criticism will ya? Sheesh, I'm a big boy for crissake, I can handle it. If I thought my swing was perfect I wouldn't have even bothered posting it. LOL

You are in RI? I'm in CT. Heck, we should play sometime.

[ezra76]

Originally Posted by $2 Nassau

Just reviewed it. Thanks again!! By chickenwing I thought you meant a flying elbow at the top/start of the backswing on the DTL shot. But you obviously meant the "wing" on the follow through when the arms collapse and fold. That is spot on - absolutely the definition of a chicken wing.

I see myself just quitting on the shot. No rotation of the body and extension of the arms through impact at all.

And by the way...stop apologizing for the criticism will ya? Sheesh, I'm a big boy for crissake, I can handle it. If I thought my swing was perfect I wouldn't have even bothered posting it. LOL

You are in RI? I'm in CT. Heck, we should play sometime.

Definitely. Twofast2's and I play all the time. Between the 2 of us we could give a few pointers. He's actually the one who started getting me to use my torso rotation a lot more. He's got a really good swing. I've seen him just simply reach back a little more, get some more resistance and clear faster, ramps his driver SS from 115 up to 121mph.

Where in CT are you? We are actually playing at Fenner Hill off ext.2 95 in RI on Fri. morning if interested.

[$2 Nassau]

Originally Posted by ezra76

Definitely. Twofast2's and I play all the time. Between the 2 of us we could give a few pointers. He's actually the one who started getting me to use my torso rotation a lot more. He's got a really good swing. I've seen him just simply reach back a little more, get some more resistance and clear faster, ramps his driver SS from 115 up to 121mph.

Where in CT are you? We are actually playing at Fenner Hill off ext.2 95 in RI on Fri. morning if interested.

Thanks for the offer, I'm definitely interested but Friday doesn't work for me. I'll take a raincheck...and work on some things in the meantime. Thanks again EZRA. BTW - I live jsut outside of Hartford in a town called West Hartford.