39/61

[chemboy2]

I'm not really sure what the hell happened on the back. I had a tin cup moment on 18 when I put four balls into the water off the tee (none of the shots were poorly struck, just too aggresive of a line) but the bounces had already stopped going my way by that point so it was quite comical really. Amazingly, I didn't break anything.

[ezra76]

Ouch. Just out curiousity, what's the score after ESC?

[Sandpiper3]

wow, biggest diff between nines for me was 32 and 49

solid way to get to the triple digits buudddddddy

[chemboy2]

Originally Posted by ezra76

Ouch. Just out curiousity, what's the score after ESC?

Remind me ESC is again...

If you mean after the "max 7" adjustment, I still have to do that math but it will probably drop down to low-mid 90s just because of 18.

The thing is, I still don't feel like I played poorly. When the scores were added my buddy was in disbelief that the score was that high on the back. I just had a little leakage on EVERY freakin' hole.

[Pa Jayhawk]

Shot a 62/33 in a Club Championship about 5 years ago after having shot 75 in the first round.

Best 18 hole score, worst 9 hole score and best 9 hole score all in a span of two days. "I coulda been a contender"

[warbirdlover]

I've had those nines where you get some really horrible bounces from an apparent good shot. Putts stop an inch from dropping. Ball in the trap under the lip. Shanks of shots I'd been hitting good earlier. Now I just blame it on the golfing gods being po'd at me that day and forget it.

[chemboy2]

Originally Posted by Pa Jayhawk

Shot a 62/33 in a Club Championship about 5 years ago after having shot 75 in the first round.

Best 18 hole score, worst 9 hole score and best 9 hole score all in a span of two days. "I coulda been a contender"

That's a helluva weekend!

Originally Posted by warbirdlover

I've had those nines where you get some really horrible bounces from an apparent good shot. Putts stop an inch from dropping. Ball in the trap under the lip. Shanks of shots I'd been hitting good earlier. Now I just blame it on the golfing gods being po'd at me that day and forget it.

That's the thing, I totally kept my wits and was actually laughing it off. Like I said, I was due for one of these as I've certainly had my fair share of good bounces the last few rounds.

[gwlee7]

Originally Posted by warbirdlover

I've had those nines where you get some really horrible bounces from an apparent good shot. Putts stop an inch from dropping. Ball in the trap under the lip. Shanks of shots I'd been hitting good earlier. Now I just blame it on the golfing gods being po'd at me that day and forget it.

These are the types of rounds that are particularly frustrating. Not only are you behind the tree, but in hole. Not only are you in the lip of the bunker, but plugged. It goes on and on.......

[Pa Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by warbirdlover

I've had those nines where you get some really horrible bounces from an apparent good shot. Putts stop an inch from dropping. Ball in the trap under the lip. Shanks of shots I'd been hitting good earlier. Now I just blame it on the golfing gods being po'd at me that day and forget it.

Interestingly enough, I have very rarely had these rounds where I played lights out in the beginning only to have the wheels entirely fall off. Not to say I haven't had rounds where I played well then just not nearly as well on the back but still fairly close to my ability. I can actually only remember 1 time where that happened that the wheels just came off late in the round, and was one of the few times I almost walked off a course out of frustration. I think I was 2 over after like 12, then preceded to go double, double, triple, triple, double, par. I think at the end of the round I was singing "The wheels on the bus, fell off the cart, off the cart..." just to keep my sanity.

For me it is usually that I show up, where I left the wheels at home and it wasn't until the back nine that I decided it was time to stop riding on the rims. I would bargain to guess that is probably because when I am playing well and focused, not much will break that for me except for maybe really slow play or bad company, and that to me is just part of the game. When I start lousy, I think by the back nine I likely in a sense have partially have given up, and just decided to enjoy the day and have a few beers and take in some scenery. In simply relaxing, my game will usually come back.

edit 1 - ... kinda like the round I mentioned. Hit two OB on the first hole, two or three in the water on number two, and was I believe 13 over after 2, 17 over after 4. By nine it was just comical thinking I needed a 13 on the back nine to tie my prior round, so I started to just relax and enjoy the company.

[chemboy2]

Originally Posted by Pa Jayhawk

Interestingly enough, I have very rarely had these rounds where I played lights out in the beginning only to have the wheels entirely fall off. Not to say I haven't had rounds where I played well then just not nearly as well on the back but still fairly close to my ability. I can actually only remember 1 time where that happened that the wheels just came off late in the round, and was one of the few times I almost walked off a course out of frustration. I think I was 2 over after like 12, then preceded to go double, double, triple, triple, double, par. I think at the end of the round I was singing "The wheels on the bus, fell off the cart, off the cart..." just to keep my sanity.

For me it is usually that I show up, where I left the wheels at home and it wasn't until the back nine that I decided it was time to stop riding on the rims. I would bargain to guess that is probably because when I am playing well and focused, not much will break that for me except for maybe really slow play or bad company, and that to me is just part of the game. When I start lousy, I think by the back nine I likely in a sense have partially have given up, and just decided to enjoy the day and have a few beers and take in some scenery. In simply relaxing, my game will usually come back.

edit 1 - ... kinda like the round I mentioned. Hit two OB on the first hole, two or three in the water on number two, and was I believe 13 over after 2, 17 over after 4. By nine it was just comical thinking I needed a 13 on the back nine to tie my prior round, so I started to just relax and enjoy the company.

That's the thing, the wheels didn't come off.

I was talking with a buddy about it and mentioned that I only hit four bad shots. He thought there was no way someone could post that kind of score with just four bad shots. This sparked further discussion around mental outlook.

In his mind a bad result equaled a bad shot. I on the other hand separate these two (this is why I didn't go ballistic yesterday). I had numerous bad results but, with the excpetion of the four previously mentioned shots, they were all good shots. For example, I put four balls into the water off of the 18th tee but every one of those was a good shot. The 18th is a dogleg right with water all down the right side and there was a one club wind blowing from left to right yesterday. I was taking an aggresive line over the dogleg which was forcing me to carry the ball about 230. I nutted every shot but the wind was pushing my ball to the right which meant the carry requirement was changing. Shoot I had one ball carry about 260 only to just barely clear and roll down the slope into the water. Was that a bad shot? Hell no, I nutted a 260 carry! Poor judgement of a line and a poor result but not a poor shot.

Another example was an approach shot into the wind to an elevated island green (technically a penninsula but "island" makes it more dramatic). I hit a solid crisp knock down 9 iron that drew just a hair more than I really wanted. The ball cut through the wind and hit on the very left edge of the green. Unfortunately, the right to left spin kicked the ball left which took it right down the embankment and into the water. I felt I executed the shot properly but I just didn't allow for the extra right to left movement (which I believe was exagerated by the wind). I promptly hit the same exact shot onto the green although I aimed further right the second time around. Again, poor result but not a poor shot.

Anyway, I'm curious to know how you guys look at it. Does a poor result equal a poor shot?

[Pa Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by chemboy2

Anyway, I'm curious to know how you guys look at it. Does a poor result equal a poor shot?

My attitude is that as long as you had a strong mental strategy on how you wanted to play a hole, and one that you were comfortable with when you stood over the ball, I would actually likely equate a poor result to a poor shot. Shot being how you hit the ball. You simply didn't exeute it in the method you wished.

The example I gave was exactly how I had played it the prior day and had actually resulted on eagle (Par 4) on one and birdie on two (Par 4). It was the only reason I was in contention to start with and how I played the 2 holes for 2 years prior and the next year following. I just hit poor shots. On one off the tee I duffed the ball OB, hit 3 off the tee under a tree, for which I hit OB from under the tree and had to drop under the tree. 2 was just a matter of play around the water.

Had I changed to a more conservative attitude to account for the wind that you mention, I likely would not have been comfortable over the ball and there is no assurance the result would have been any better. Could your course management have been better? Likely only if there was another shot that would have certainly led to a better result and you would have been more comfortable with as you stood over the ball. Even with 4 in the water may have showed a stronger mental game in being confident in your choice.

I did something similar this year in our club championship in hitting my normal 7w off the tee on a Par 4 hole where I could drive the green, and had eagled the hole on 5 occasions in the past. Also took countless numbers of penalties in trying to make eagles. Although the risk of penalty on driver was far greater. Ended up playing 7 off the tee because I hit the ball poorly 3 prior times. Still did not change my strategy after the club championship, because I had a strong enough mental game to know that if I had hit 3 poor shots with my driver it would have had the same result. Going into the round, my 7w was the club for which I had the most confidence. While the Eagle opportunity was attractive, and still is, I was play a strategy of birdie or par and use the least likely opportunity for penalty. Because I left the hole with a 6 over 10, but still believed I had made the right choice, I actually managed to recover and still make it into the Final 4 for Matchplay the following week.