Home Forum Links Directory ST Gear Golf Shoes Pro Shop Arcade
Go Back   Shot Talk - Golf Forum > Golf Discussion > Hacker's Anonymous
Register Gallery FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Witnessed something interesting.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
 
iTrader: (0)
#1 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2009, 12:50 PM
fisher's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 722
Witnessed something interesting.

Played last night with one of my regular partners who is a low single digit handicapper.

He was hitting the ball absolutely flawlessly thru the first four holes. On the fifth hole he hit an absolutely perfect drive, only one problem, he was aimed perfectly at the right rough. Sure enough he hit a perfect driver into the right rough. It was purely an aim miss. For the rest of the round he messed with his swing which made his driving go down hill, still not terrible though but not what it had been early in the round.

It was very interesting seeing how a swing that wasn't a bad swing at all, just an aim issue set off a string of bad drives as he tried to manipulate the swing thinking it was the swing that was the problem.

It really got me thinking about how downhill chain reactions in my own game get set off.
__________________
Whats in my bag.
Titleist 909D3 9.5 Mitsubishi Whiteboard X-flex
Taylor Made Burner 3 Wood
Titleist 585h Hybrid
Titleist 690mb 3-P
Nike SV 52 and 56
Titleist Vokey 60
See More Putter
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (0)
#2 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2009, 12:59 PM
Johnny Par's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 778
Re: Witnessed something interesting.

Couldn't agree more. Definitely a chain reaction.

However, the good players are the ones who can pin point exactly what the issue is and make adjustments. Unlike me, who thinks its one thing, tries it, doesn't work, next hole, try something else, doesn't work, etc.....domino effect

OR, do what the pros do. I was watching the tee it up with Tiger clinic featuring AK.

AK said, before a tourney, when he is on the range before tee off. If there is something wrong with his swing, he won't make swing adjustments and try and fight it through the round. Rather, he adjusts everything else. If by chance, that day, he is pulling shots, he won't try and fix it, he simply sets up to hit a pull and aim accordingly. I've definitely employed this during my round and it has helped tremendously.
__________________
Callaway FT-i 10* Prolaunch Blue
Callaway FT-i 9.5 Tour LCG Fubuki
Cobra Baffler DWS 16* & 20* Aldila VS Proto-HL
Ping G10, 4-6
Ping I10, 7-UW
Cleveland CG14 54* 58*
Ping Karsten Craz-E
Handicap: 19

Last edited by Johnny Par; 08-20-2009 at 01:01 PM..
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (7)
#3 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2009, 01:26 PM
Rockford35's Avatar
Yes, I am wearing Ecco
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 19,036
Images: 7
Re: Witnessed something interesting.

I play with a guy that hits the straightest drives you've ever seen with his FT-i. Long, too. However, he's aimed at the left rough and pushes them into the middle. He does this only with his driver. The rest of the time, he's aimed perfectly.

Now, if someone says to him "You're aimed left", he's effed. I think his left aim is subconscious and he just does it without thinking about his feet. It feels right and it works. But if you bring it into the light, it gets into his kitchen and he's completely messed up.

Stupid, stupid game.

R35
__________________
Callaway FT-9 Tour N 9.5* Matrix Ozik F6M2
Tour Edge Exotics 13* Accuflex Evolution
Cleveland Launcher Steel 19* Accuflex Evolution
Adams PNT Tour Proto Matrix Altus HB
Nakashima NP-1 Tour Forged 4-9 FST Pro 115
Nakashima NP-1 Tour Forged 56* and 60* FST Pro 115
Callaway Tour TT2 Raw Ace Of Clubs Edition Nippon Pro Heavy

TLT'd

Too many churches and not enough truth...
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (2)
#4 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2009, 01:33 PM
eclark53520's Avatar
SUCK IT UP BUTTERCUP!!!
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,148
Re: Witnessed something interesting.

There are a lot of decisions made in this world that act just like this.

See the outcome, assume you know what the culprit is, so you act on an assumption and cause more damage to the situation than you could ever dream to fix.

Almost always its better to go back to basics immediately and start there to fix a disruption. Start with the easy to fix stuff, alignment, grip, etc. If that doesn't fix it, then go on to the more technical areas of the swing.

Its an old saying, don't fix whats not broken(, and make sure you know whats broken before you try to fix anything)
__________________
I will keep my Freedom, my Money, and my Guns...you can keep the change.

"The nation will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." - Thomas Jefferson

"You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." - Adrian Rogers
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (0)
#5 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2009, 02:21 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 894
Re: Witnessed something interesting.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eclark53520 View Post
There are a lot of decisions made in this world that act just like this.

See the outcome, assume you know what the culprit is, so you act on an assumption and cause more damage to the situation than you could ever dream to fix.

Almost always its better to go back to basics immediately and start there to fix a disruption. Start with the easy to fix stuff, alignment, grip, etc. If that doesn't fix it, then go on to the more technical areas of the swing.

Its an old saying, don't fix whats not broken(, and make sure you know whats broken before you try to fix anything)

That, and don't try to "fix" something as soon as it happens. I play with a guy like that from time to time - every single swing he makes is trying to "fix" the last one. I'm not good enough to offer advice so I leave him be, but I can't help but think that maybe when one drive goes right you just ****ed up - you don't necessarily need to revamp your whole swing. At least wait until you hit a second one over there just in case it was a fluke. I always end up playing better than him, even though I KNOW he has way more good shots in him than I do. But he's always swinging a change when there's a club in his hand, so it's just random chance when he happens to use one of those good swings.
__________________
Nickent 4DX Evolver 10.5°
Nickent 4DX 3W
Nickent 3DXDC UT 17°
Nickent 3DXDC IW 23°
Nickent 3DX HI 5-PW
Maltby M Milled 52°,56°,60°
Maltby MSP 02
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (0)
#6 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2009, 03:37 PM
aka Grand-Master-Duff
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 121
Re: Witnessed something interesting.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Par View Post
AK said, before a tourney, when he is on the range before tee off. If there is something wrong with his swing, he won't make swing adjustments and try and fight it through the round. Rather, he adjusts everything else. If by chance, that day, he is pulling shots, he won't try and fix it, he simply sets up to hit a pull and aim accordingly. I've definitely employed this during my round and it has helped tremendously.
When Paul Casey was on Playing Lessons from the Pros he said the same thing. He just goes with the way hes hitting it on that day.
I bet they are not the only pros who adopt this mentality.
Unfortunately my swing is so flawed that, when the wheels come off, there is no telling where the damn ball will go next!
__________________
In the Bag:
Cleveland Launcher 460 10.5 deg (Grafalloy Blue Stiff)
TM 200 Series 5 Wood (Grafalloy Blue Stiff)
TM Rescue Mid 22 and 25 deg (Ultralite Stiff)
Mizuno TP-9 blades 5-PW (S300)
Cleveland 900 Wedges 54 and 58 deg
Ping PAL2
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (5)
#7 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2009, 09:00 PM
ezra76's Avatar
I need a new Futon
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 12,390
Re: Witnessed something interesting.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WelshGolfer View Post
When Paul Casey was on Playing Lessons from the Pros he said the same thing. He just goes with the way hes hitting it on that day.
I bet they are not the only pros who adopt this mentality.
Unfortunately my swing is so flawed that, when the wheels come off, there is no telling where the damn ball will go next!
I just don't have enough room to play my misses. I can't aim towards the Atlantic and block it 120yds. right into the fairway.
__________________

TourEdge CB1 13* CompNT 85-S
Titleist 906F4 18.5* Speeder761
RescueMid TP 22* S300
Titleist 704CB 4i-PW S300
Vokey 50-08
Titleist Proto 55*
Vokey SM 60*
Wilson KCII
Ogio Vaporlite Stand bag

Cap - 9.8
Location - Providence, RI
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (0)
#8 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2009, 09:36 PM
gwlee7's Avatar
Ho's from Rocky Mount, NC
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,298
Re: Witnessed something interesting.

One of the best explanations of the whole aim of the club setting off chain reactions (good or bad) comes from John Jacobs' book The Golf Swing Simplified.

"Clubface alignment is critical because, if the face of the club looks to the left or right of the target as you strike the ball, your instinctive reactions to the ball's flight will create errors in your swing path and angle of attack, while also impairing your clubhead speed."
p. 12
__________________
Current 5.1 USGA Index
Wishon 949MC 10.5* Driver Mitsubishi Fubuki 73 S
Wishon 949MC 14* 3W Mitsubishi Fubuki 73 S
Wishon 949MC 18* 5W Mitsubishi Fubuki 73 S
Wishon 785HF 20* 3 Hybrid ACCRA T70 M4
Wishon 550C forged irons 4 - PW
Titleist Vokey 52* and 58* wedges
Yes! Carolyne, Nicky, or Tracy
Ball: Titleist Pro V1x,
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (0)
#9 (permalink)  
Old 08-20-2009, 10:30 PM
Dusty90's Avatar
Another Canuck
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 425
Re: Witnessed something interesting.

If I know which way my misses are going to go then it will be a good day.

However, the problem comes when I hook a ball on one hole and then slice it just as far on the next. That turns into a guessing game that doesn't ususally turn out that well for me. Although these days have been becoming less and less recently.
__________________
Taylormade r7 quad
Adams BUL 15* 3 wood
Cobra Baffler pro 18* Hybrid
Bridgestone J33cb 3-pw
Callaway X-tour wedges 52*58*MD
Mizuno Bettinardi C-01

Drive for show, Putt for dough, Shank for comic relief.
Reply With Quote
 
iTrader: (0)
#10 (permalink)  
Old 08-21-2009, 10:36 AM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 45
Re: Witnessed something interesting.

I'm probably the best example of this. My swing looks flawless to most and overall, it is very solid...but lately, it seems bugs have infested my brain and I just couldn't hit a ball properly. Go to the driving range and everything is fine...back on the course and the questioning starts again. Gotta stop this crap! Had my last of 3 golf lessons last night and the guy told me there wasn't anything that I needed to change anymore. My swing is now textbook. Just have to watch tempo and open my front foot more (should help prevent blocks/hard hooks).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dusty90 View Post
If I know which way my misses are going to go then it will be a good day.

However, the problem comes when I hook a ball on one hole and then slice it just as far on the next. That turns into a guessing game that doesn't ususally turn out that well for me. Although these days have been becoming less and less recently.
That's my problem too. My misses are both ways...and by a lot! It's either a block or a hard pull hook. So I just aim in the middle and hope for the best. My regular drive is dead straight, no fade, no draw. Just need to watch for a couple of things (ie. TEMPO!) and I should be fine.
__________________
Driver : TaylorMade R7 Quad 425CC 9.5°
3-Wood : King Cobra SS
Irons 3-PW : Titleist AP2 w/ Project-X 6.0 Rifle Flighted
Wedges 53°-56°-60° : Cleveland TA588 GunMetal
Putter : Cobra Townsville

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Interesting Article in Golf World... BigJim13 Shot Talk 13 04-08-2009 05:46 PM
Interesting info from Golf World... BigJim13 Shot Talk 2 01-10-2009 08:44 AM
An interesting new development from Cleveland Golf David B Shot Talk 8 05-14-2006 10:33 AM
Interesting PGA/TV Distances Rockford35 Shot Talk 5 03-14-2005 06:52 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:14 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0
Copyright © 2004 -2009 shottalk.com