The Plane Truth

[Sandpiper3]

Watchin TGC and all the infomercials with nothin better to do at 1 am... What exactly is the diff between a 1 and 2 plane swing? Is there anyway i can find out which my swing is and wat each of them mean?

Anyone bought into this gimmick or know anything about this?

[Pa Jayhawk]

This may help
http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/p3_...two_plane.html

Not sure about there being merit to "the plane truth", but a good portion of the top pros are going to a one plane swing, so there is certainly some merit to it being a workable swing. This site may give you enough to get started. Somewhere between the time I started playing 5 years ago and last year, my swing just converted to a one plane swing. It is nice to know, as I was getting caught up at the top of my swing, and after taking a lesson early last year to find the problem, and finding this out it made it a little easier to adapt. My instructor immediately said, "Well, you've adopted a one plane swing" and gave me a few things to think about which took care of the problem at the top.

edit 1 - OMG, there is an add for what looks like a tampon holder at the top of the page. You have anything to do with this Golflover. Sorry, couldn't pass it up when I saw that on the page I linked.

[warbirdlover]

Hey, I'm a one plane swinger and didn't even know it!! Great article. Now I can go back to forgetting about it...

[demon]

I try to be a one plane swinger but as long as my downswing is on the right plane I wont try to change it too much. I am on a one plane swing for my driver, 3 wood, 2 - 7 iron, but the 8 - pw and 54*/60* feel so much different that I swing them on two planes.

[JEFF4i]

Overcomplicating.

[Pa Jayhawk]

Now I can go back to forgetting about it...

For me it was pretty simple, and just swing naturally. Where the problems came about was that I just felt really, really uncomfortable at the top of my backswing. The more I thought about this, the more I tried to go back to the fundamental basics. In doing so, naturally I put alot of emphasis in letting the club naturally drop into the slot. The problem was, it was already there and just led to more problems. Upon taking the lesson and finding this out, it became very simple to overcome. I personally have no preference, and just do what comes naturally. I now videotape my swing, a big part of what I concentrate on is slowing down my swing for a better tempo. I believe in doing so my swing may in fact be going back to 2 planes.

It is nice knowing if your swing becomes uncomfortable, specifically during the transistion, but I think you are corrrect that unless you are having problems already it may be better to forget about it the rest of the time.

[Maverick]

Does this make sense, but are the position of your hands, at the top, lower than a two-plane swing?

I also heard that on the one-plane I should be leaning more on the balls of my feet, compared to the two-plane stance/address.

[benk]

Alot of what you guys have said act like this is a gimmick. I tell you, form experience, this is not a gimmick. It is the real deal. I have been working with a Harmon protege for 3 years, and when I got injured, started doing my own research into the golf swing. Basically, I decided ben hogan/sam snead as my models. Basically everything you read says either "Ben hogan was the best ballstriker I ever saw" or "Sam snead was the best I ever saw" and I thought that was interesting. What I also thought was interesting is that they had alot of moves that no one has done since. It's hard for me to talk about all the things I've found and all that without writing a fricken essay, so I'll try to keep this short.

Basically, a college coach gave me this book when I told him I was trying to change my golf swing to alot of things Ben Hogan was doing. He said he had seen harmon leadbetter and all the golf gurus, and he thought Jim Hardy was the most impressive. I had a very bad year ball striking wise, and my teacher was now teaching full time in a net. He gave me the plane truth book, and It blew me away.

Basically [ and this is very basic ], the 2 plane golf swing is the main-stream golf swing that has been taught since jack nicklaus got popular. There are alot of articles about this, and If you wanna understand it, you can look them up. Basically, you can tell a 2 planer by their backswing. Does their hands stay in front of them and go to a high position at the top [ above their shoulder line], and they will also swing down differantly.

A 1 plane swinger [ which is what I've converted to ] has their hands parrallel or just above parrallel to their shoulder line. They get their hands "behind" them in the backswing. They also swing more in a circle, and more left.

I was impressed by what he had to say because of 2 things I noticed among others of ben hogan and sam sneads swings: they get their hands behind them in the backswing and are "flat" at the top, and they swing very left after impact [ watch ww.geocities.com/sixbeeonedee/hoganhit.mpg add a w to the ww because I couldnt' post links]. Their swings were TOTALLY differant than what is taught in golf today.

In hardy terms, I was a hybrid [ Harmon] for 3 years [ since I started golf ], I then went to a golf camp this year and they changed me to a 2 planer, and then I got injured, and then changed to a 1 planer, So I have been around the block in the golf swing. I did not understand why my teacher told me one thing, this guy told me another, but they both worked. I didn't understand the golf swing at all.

This post was a very basic interpretation of what he believes, but I did hear someoen say that is was too complicated. I disagree. I think it is very very easy to understand. I have the book and the dvd's, both are good, but the dvd's are the best buy, I think, in golf, and I have alot of instructional things on both swings. They go step by step through both swings, and you can see exactly what you want.

Anyway, probably no one read all of that, I dont know if I would, lol. But to end it off, I think that his ideas are very very good, and it would do everyone [ especially higher handicappers] to pay attention to what he has to say.

[Sandpiper3]

I read it all. Very interesting. Would you be able to post a bunch of the info on the 1 plane swing for me?

[benk]

What info do you want?? If there is a video of your swing, I could tell you how better to convert. Your best bet to learn more is to just go to the JH forum, that or get the book.

If you get the book though, let me know. There is one thing in the book that is taken wrong by many golfers.

[Sandpiper3]

Alright, ill try and get the vid tomorrow ill probly be at the range. My swing is shit right now, so im workin on it, but for once i have no idea wat i should be working on... So ill get that vid and hopefully u can point out some things that i can switch it to a 1 plane. The only thing i know it that its definately 2 plane, i want to reduce the variables in my swing.

[demon]

Alright, ill try and get the vid tomorrow ill probly be at the range. My swing is shit right now, so im workin on it, but for once i have no idea wat i should be working on... So ill get that vid and hopefully u can point out some things that i can switch it to a 1 plane. The only thing i know it that its definately 2 plane, i want to reduce the variables in my swing.

One swing plane is what most modern swings are today except for odd ball swings like Freddie Couples and Jim Furyk. Look at tigers on nikes swing portrait, it is the best video to model since it perfect clarity http://nike.com/nikegolf/swingportrait

[Sandpiper3]

Benk- Heres a link to the thread that i made for my swing about a month ago. Its fairly the same now, wat ive "tried" to do is flatten out my swing, but my driving has just gotten worst so im sure its not worked... This apparently has always been about wat my swing looks like, just 5 degrees to the right...

This disgusts me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoeyBDJhMBA

[benk]

One planer?? Your the exact opposite, your a total 2 planer. Its tough to see position from a youtube video, but you are totally a 2 planer. I could see where flattening your swing plane would get you in trouble, you don't want a flat plane with a 2 planer. I was a 2 planer for awhile, if you wanna post your misses on another thread, and maybe get a video on another site where I could slow it down, I could maybe help you out [ though I know more about 1 plane then 2 plane, I could probalby see a few things ].