Yet another

[ezra76]

I need some drills that are so exaggerated I can't possibley come OTT. I can see some improvements in turn and grip, it's showing in the ballflight also. I still have this move where I'm lifting and coming vertical from the top. The last 2 swings on the video are a little better. Please tell me what you see and the most drastic drill available to stop it.

http://media.putfile.com/swingwork1

[benk]

Ezra, your problems totally come from your backswing. You take it so high, the only way your NOT going to go over the top is to "drop" or reroute it to the inside, sort of like furyk. I'd either flatten your backswing, or start dropping the club. I'd recommend the latter because of how your body is on the downswing.

[Sandpiper3]

Haha, from the title "yet another" I thought you musta gotten a new TP driver

[solarbear88]

Get a mirror. Do practice backswings till its perfectly on plane, check it from various angles, then hit a ball. Rinse and repeat.

Get a headcover. Put it outside the ball and a bit behind by about a clubhead. Hit ball without hitting clubhead cover. Use this to grade your swing. Combine with mirror activity. - I prefer to use a dowel here instead of a headcover, as I can trace it back the first foot or so and push out over it after contact, but I am not using Muira clubs.

The trick to not going OTT is to not start down with your hands but with your turn.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Originally Posted by benk

Ezra, your problems totally come from your backswing. You take it so high, the only way your NOT going to go over the top is to "drop" or reroute it to the inside, sort of like furyk. I'd either flatten your backswing, or start dropping the club. I'd recommend the latter because of how your body is on the downswing.

EXZACTLY what I was going to tell him. I was going to do it in my swing thread but I dident know how to put it into words. Then I went to get my camera to take a video of what I mean and I was Cops was on and I had to watch. Came back on and Boom!.

I second the idea of dropping and re-routing like furyk. I could still take the video if you want to show exzactly what I'm talking about but you prabably have a good picture of what were talking about.

Durring practise do a MAJOR drop and soon you will a differance.

try to start the downswing with the hips.
try to get the feeling of elbowing yourself in the right ass cheek with your right elbow. This should force you to keep your hands a little closer to your body coming down and keep you from coming into the ball from the outside.

if you try that ^^ might wanna stand a little further from the ball at address.

good luck man!

[ezra76]

Originally Posted by Sandpiper3

Haha, from the title "yet another" I thought you musta gotten a new TP driver

No but I did hit the R510TP and it is a cannon when I got it right. I swear it is generating more ball speed than the R5TP. Ball takes off the face like a rocket. I may go with this one as the smaller head is easier for me to control and that Speeder can take just about everything I can dish out. I really shouldn't have hit a driver today but I couldn't resist. I hit the R5TP 8.5* too. I was launching it a lot better but it was getting pushed right a lot. The 510 was much straighter and I even started drawing it.

[ezra76]

I don't want to do a Furyk. I have the rest of my life to play this game, I want to build something that will remain consistent long term. IMO I need to bend a lot more in the knees and sit down. Then I need to pinch my shoulder blades. I have a thin waist and very wide shoulders, I need to bring that strong 'furniture moving back" into my swing. Just about every guy I see whose swing I like has the shaft around shoulder level. It is so amazing to me to feel like I'm doing something so drastically different yet changes are so minor when looking at them. I should put together like 3 videos of my swing the past few months and see how they look. I think I will. Stay tuned, I'll be back.

[ezra76]

Now that's what I needed to see. Holy cripes, my 1st one makes me laugh at myself... Grip and turn as opposed to sway are getting much better.

http://media.putfile.com/swingprogression

[Fastback]

ezra, this is what i see from your swing.. others can comment on how relevant this is (since i'm really only starting out)

From what i understand, these are generally the lines that would indicate you are in plane during your swing





this next shot shows the club in plane, but the angle of the club not in line with the ball




at full extension, you are outside of the plane


coming down, you are still outside the plane and the angle is too steep

[charnockpro]

First of all can i congratulate you on all your hard work you have put in, the swing already looks 10 times better, what i would say is a couple of things

at address try to get it so that your hands are directly beneath your chin and not close in to your legs, as this will make it easier to get the club in a good slot on the way down, also your backswing is a little flat at halfway back but the club is set a lot better, with this happening this is why your club then is lifted by your arms and it is upright and across the line

Address: Hands under chin

Backswing:Get hands a bit more in front instead of behind your body which will help the route of the backswing this in turn will result in a better angle of attack due to more space created by address and a better line on the backswing resulting in an easier transition on the downswing

but again, great work

[benk]

CanadianGuy, if you are trying to drop the clubhead to the inside, you do not want to start the swing with the hips.

Ezra, I don't think your drop will be as bad as furyk, but if you are willing to work a little bit to get your swing plane fixed, then you can deffinally do it.

The first thing you need to do is a flattening of your left arm position. I saw [ Charnock just posted this, heh, I guess I'm not the only person that never goes to bed ] that he said to get your hands more in front of you. I disagree. I think that that is totally fine as long as he gets to a good flat top of the backswing position. Because of his good takeaway, we can go straight to it and fix that first.

I have a good feel that has helped me alot with my top of the backswing position [ Ben Hogan used this same feel ]. Lets say That you were in your adress position, and you were going to hit somebody right where your ball would be, with your right arm. You make a turn, almost like a golf shot, and this is a feel I want you to get. If you were going to hit somebody, where would your right arm be. Would it be really high, like it was now? No, no power there. Would it be really low, nope, no power there either. Put your right arm in position to hit somebody hard [ your right hand should be right above your shoulder, or somewhere around there anyway ]. That is the exact position you need in the backswing. Now just get a club there with your right arm in that same position, wow, thats a perfect flat backswing.

I have a habit of making everything too long... Anyway, that's a feel that has been very successful for me to get the right position at the top of the swing. I think that if you do this, with a bent over posture, it is just about impossible to go over the top.

Also Charnock, do you really think he should get his hands under his chin with the shorter iron he has there? He is a LITTLE bit close, but I don't know if that drastic of a change is neccessary with his bent over posture.

Also, when you get to this position successfully, just feel an unwinding of you body, and you should hit some pretty good shots. Good luck!

[charnockpro]

The first thing you need to do is a flattening of your left arm position. I saw [ Charnock just posted this, heh, I guess I'm not the only person that never goes to bed ] that he said to get your hands more in front of you. I disagree.
Why does he have to conform to a one plane swing, is there not the remotest possibility he could be a 2 plane swinger? i think by looking at his build and physical capabilities he is an arc swinger/2 plane.

Also Charnock, do you really think he should get his hands under his chin with the shorter iron he has there? He is a LITTLE bit close, but I don't know if that drastic of a change is neccessary with his bent over posture.

I think he should definitely feel like his hands are under his chin, as we all know that they will be slightly out due to human nature

[TheOnlyGolfProHere]

Well I have seen your videos and I have read the post and here are my suggestions.

1. First of all you need lessons to get rid of all your bad habits that you have accumulated over the years.
2. If not that then I would suggest a Medicus driver and a Medicus 5 iron for you to practice with. These devices will help you get rid of that OTT move.
3. If not that then, let's get back to basics. Grip, stance, alignment, and posture. Just by being a golfer, most of us have those things wrong. If you don't have a good foundation, then everything you build from that point on is likely to fail.
4. I also suggest that you work on your tempo. Make it nice and easy like a slow clock, tick tock, 1 2, what ever you choose.
5. Next work on extending your take away and get a wider back swing. Swing out and around, not in and up.
6. Just practice swinging a weighted club AROUND your body with your golf grip. What I mean is to take your golf grip and stance without bending at the hips. This will be an standing upright golf swing. Swing the weighted club around your body using a golf swing. Do that for about 20-30 reps. Remember the right elbow folds going back, and the left arm folds on the follow through and remember to release the club.

Now slightly bend at the hips, which changes your swing plane and swing the weighted club (using a golf swing) in a different plane 10 reps until you are in your natural posture. If you swing over the top in any of these positions then start from the beginning. The club should move from point a (backswing) to point B (follow through) without taking any other route.

6. Next work on swinging on an in to out path. The best way to do this is to put your left foot 4-6 inches ahead of your right. This will force you to swing in to out. Use this positionn with a weighted clubs every day until the feeling is engrained.

Good luck.

[demon]

you look like you are standing a little tall with your legs, this could easily promote your swaying. the reason why you are so over the top is because of all of your arm action. I used to get almost as vertical as you but never over the top, the difference is that you are using your arms a lot more than I am.

[LyleG]

EZ,

Next time you go hit balls try hitting the inside corner of the ball. Set it on the tee so that the number is to the back inside portion of the ball. This should keep ou from coming OTT. Also imagine you want to swing through the ball to a spot 12 inches past the ball and slightly to the outside of it (about3-4 inches). Again this will help.