CCW for Wisconsin?

[VtDivot]

Originally Posted by mddubya

VT, I've been robbed at gun point, and trust me, it makes you so angry at the world and mankind in general. I know if I had been carrying, things would have turned out differently...

exactly my point... you'd probably be dead... why aggravate the situation? The dude is a scumbag, he'd kill you, let him have your wallet. It's only money.

[warbirdlover]

I like the REVEALED carry. Would serve the same purpose. And I don't own a handgun. I have a .300 magnum deer rifle sitting in the gun cabinet and a 12 gauge over/under shotgun there. And I'd probably still pass on both to use my "nunchakus". These aren't the rubber or plastic toys you see on TV with the chain and ball bearings. These are heavy, red oak connected by rope and I have removed bark from trees effortlessly with them. Learning to twirl them had my wrists and arms bruised up for months. One bonk on the head or in the face with these babies and it's "game over". Possibly, their life over.

The dude is a scumbag, he'd kill you, let him have your wallet. It's only money

VtDivot

Not if I kill him first. And I would.

I always bring up the thought that what if someone broke into your house and was armed. Wouldn't you want to kill him first? Would you trust your family's lives to this scumbag's "compassion"? You should know if he broke into your house he's ready to kill you. I would not like to go through life knowing I could have saved my dearest loved ones lives by smoking the dude before he hurt my family... and didn't do it. If I die in the process, I gave it my best shot (get it? ). There was a thug in town here who broke into a family's house during the daytime, taped all their arms and legs up and shot them. What about the pro football Redskin that had someone break in his house and kill him? These people do not have compassion. They can kill and not think twice about it. You're not dealing with a normal person.

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[zaphod]

And I'd probably still pass on both to use my "nunchakus". These aren't the rubber or plastic toys you see on TV with the chain and ball bearings. These are heavy, red oak connected by rope and I have removed bark from trees effortlessly with them. Learning to twirl them had my wrists and arms bruised up for months. One bonk on the head or in the face with these babies and it's "game over".

Bruce Lee in our midst. Actually I respect martial arts devotees. Training I have seen stresses control and defusing the situation rather than inflaming it. The actual defense is used as last resort. Discipline and respect are key concepts.

You can recall a bullet by saying oops I'm sorry.

[zaphod]

And I'd probably still pass on both to use my "nunchakus". These aren't the rubber or plastic toys you see on TV with the chain and ball bearings. These are heavy, red oak connected by rope and I have removed bark from trees effortlessly with them. Learning to twirl them had my wrists and arms bruised up for months. One bonk on the head or in the face with these babies and it's "game over".

Bruce Lee in our midst. Actually I respect martial arts devotees. Training I have seen stresses control and defusing the situation rather than inflaming it. The actual defense is used as last resort. Discipline and respect are key concepts.

Can you recall a bullet by saying oops I'm sorry?

[eclark53520]

Originally Posted by zaphod

Rather than concealed carry why not REVEALED CARRY? Not many police officers are confronted with armed robbers. Or is concealed carry rather than revealed carry a social acceptance issue. ie you don't want to be scary to the general public? If your argument of safety is truly valid then be overtly confident and announce to the general public your willingness to protect yourself.

The problem here is ease of being disarmed and this would allow possible criminals the upper hand by knowing who to take down first, when its concealed, they have no clue.

Originally Posted by zaphod

Questions for those positive voters. At what age would you allow CC. Military service decreases age? Any restricted areas? Do private businesses, property owners have the right to post no concealed weapon requirements? How intrusive is the screening process? Weapon type restrictions? Once theses issues are addressed it is easier to decide.

Originally Posted by zaphod

most states allow concealed carry at 18 and i think that is a good age. Most shootings happen in restricted areas. Think virginia tech, columbine, these shootings in the municiple buildings just this last week were ALL RESTRICTED from firearms...i believe restricted areas are counter productive. Full background checks are performed in every state i know of. Shouldnt be any type of weapon restrictions. Use knives, nunchuckes, hand guns, even a baseball bat if you can conceal it.

Finally think of all the people you formally know. Are there some who you would not trust with a Concealed weapon? Why? How would they be separated from the process? I know a number. Drinking problems. Anger management issues etc. Yet the have been able to skirt the law and have clean records.

The only people that i know/have known that i wouldnt feel comfortable having a concealed weapon are either on probation, in jail, or dead. However, it has been proven that un-healthy people can get through the system, but the amount of people that have theyre licenses revoked because of these problems are (from what statistics i have seen that were conducted by the state government of florida) less than .001% of the number of permits issued.

I am going to see if i can find those statistics again...

[warbirdlover]

sssmokin is a crazed, Vietnam vet, postal worker and he has lot's of handguns. And I'd trust him to carry a concealed weapon. There has to be some "mental illness" test to give people first.

[Jules150]

I can only see more murders and deaths if people start walking around with guns, concealed or not. From what i understand people feel powerful with a gun, and tend to look for a fight more often. I also cant understand why so many people here want to carry a gun around to protect yourself, does anybody here live in the hood?

If someone wants your wallet, let them take it things go bad when you resist, its only money folks.

[eclark53520]

Originally Posted by Jules150

I can only see more murders and deaths if people start walking around with guns, concealed or not. From what i understand people feel powerful with a gun, and tend to look for a fight more often. I also cant understand why so many people here want to carry a gun around to protect yourself, does anybody here live in the hood?

If someone wants your wallet, let them take it things go bad when you resist, its only money folks.

Actually, the exact opposite happens. Crime rates go down almost immediatly when states pass concealed carry laws.

I can't seem to find the florida state statistics but its something like

Permit holders are 900 % less likely to be in a violent fight, 600% less likely to get drunk driving ticket, and somewhere around 1000% less likely to commit a crime than a non permit holder...so this thought of shootouts over fender benders just isnt happening. If it was going to happen, dont you think the media would be all over every single permit holder that commits a crime?

[VtDivot]

Originally Posted by Jules150

I can only see more murders and deaths if people start walking around with guns, concealed or not. From what i understand people feel powerful with a gun, and tend to look for a fight more often. I also cant understand why so many people here want to carry a gun around to protect yourself, does anybody here live in the hood?

If someone wants your wallet, let them take it things go bad when you resist, its only money folks.

So you are from the Northeast too huh

[Wi-Golfer]

As far as concealed carry goes, about the only gun of mine that could easily be concealed is the crappy little Jennings .22. The Ruger 9mm, S&W .357 & the Ruger Blackhawk .45 are too damn big & heavy for that. Maybe I need to pick up a nice polymer Glock?

Also crime in my area is non-existant, small village of 1000 people where most folks don't lock their doors or garages. At my work folks even leave their keys in their cars.........I don't since I came from Kenosha which is nearly as bad as Racine & have had a lifetime of dealing with gangsta wannabes & petty thieves.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Originally Posted by Wi-Golfer

Maybe I need to pick up a nice polymer Glock?

Now you're thinking.

Glock Talk

Oh how I wish I had a 23.

[sssmokin]

I will defend my home against any one stupid enough to knock my door down or break in a window. He can kiss his @ss goodbye. Concealed carry isn't as important to me............I wouldn't want a stray bullet hitting an innocent bystander. But my home is well defended. I will not hesitate one second to blow someone away who even intends to harm my dog.

[Pa Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by warbirdlover

What about the pro football Redskin that had someone break in his house and kill him? These people do not have compassion. They can kill and not think twice about it. You're not dealing with a normal person.

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Sean Taylor was one of the first that came to mind. He went after the guy with a Machete. I sincerely think had he had a gun instead, he would be alive right now. Obviously to go after a guy holding a gun with a machete, hesitation wasn't a big issue. He also had several other people in the house to be concerned about, so doing nothing was also a questionable call. Granted if the opportunity presents itself that you can assure the safety of you and your family without the use of a firearm, then it is the wiser choice IMO. Probably a big reason for my comments about not carrying a gun, but my willingness to use them if someone enters my home. It is really a judgment call, and I would think that my chances are better on the street by relying on my mind to get out of a situation. Although I would tend to believe if someone broke into my home and either knew I was there or stuck around when they found out, this really changes matters and leads me to believe the safer option is using deadly force. In the same sense, I would probably be more likely to use deadly force in either situation if it also involves a family member and not just myself.

I think of my self as a pretty quick thinker, and as I said would rather rely on using my mind than a firearm. Although I also would not want to live with knowing I made a bad choice and it ended with harm to a loved one. In which case it would require less thought for me.

On the street though, someone asks for my wallet I'm going to throw it one direction and run like a screaming coward the other. Do you think the guy is going to go after the screaming coward or the nice little quite wallet. Same with any other possession, that's what insurance is for and it will teach me that I obviously let my guard down when I shouldn't have. On the flip side, if someone is in my home under those circumstance, it becomes apparent that just being robbed is not my only concern and the option to flee has become a little less likely.

edit 1 - Another note on just keeping aware of surrounding. I do however keep my 4 lb weight golf club in the back of my car. Took it out during a league, so I would not have a 15th club, decided it made a nice addition to my car. Not concealed, personally wouldn't reach for it to try and fend of someone trying to rob me, but it would create nice separation should I feel someone is threatening me in an unarmed situation. There are many items for self defense, although I am much better with a firearm than a golf club.

[Pa Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by sssmokin

I will defend my home against any one stupid enough to knock my door down or break in a window. He can kiss his @ss goodbye. Concealed carry isn't as important to me............I wouldn't want a stray bullet hitting an innocent bystander. But my home is well defended. I will not hesitate one second to blow someone away who even intends to harm my dog.

This is just good common sense to me. There is also a good reason I have a 12 gauge pump shotgun when I haven't done any hunting or Trap and Skeet in 20 years. If the guy doesn't $#!+ his pant's and run in fear when he hears the pump, then it would lead me to belief there is not going to be a happy ending. I figure the pump is the warning and any movement I see after that is nothing more than a target at that point.

[sssmokin]

zaphod posted: Can you recall a bullet by saying oops I'm sorry?

Nope, you can't. But you can say: "Did you like that? Here's a few more".........hee hee.