interesting e-mail

[JEFF4i]

I can't even not have my own natural gas for one day.

[SilverUberXeno]

Clugnut's comment about 4x4's was sarcastic, I think. I hope.

Money is property, and however people want to spend their money is really their own business so long as they're not infringing on the rights of other people. It is very silly to spend $3.30 to go 8 miles when you could spend the same about to go 28 miles, but that's a decision I make myself and adjust to. Good for me, bad for them. They pay out the ass, gov't collects more taxes on gas, roads get built, which I drive on at 30mpg. Hazzah.

I'd be interested to see the statistics of people driving vehicles that actually get less than 13 net MPG. I bet it's much smaller than we all think. Even SUVs nowadays have better fuel economy. The new Silverado changes over to 4cyl operation on the highway. This "solution" of banning V8s is a band-aid, and not a very good band-aid at all.

How about banning racing? Talk about a waste of gas... But again, if people are willing to pay to watch Nascar, despite the complete senselessness of it, by all means. They're not wasting MY money.

[JEFF4i]

I think more than anything, the root of the problem here are Corporate Conglomerates. Have we learned nothing? Concentration of power, and money is power, is the most dangerous thing in the world. They say don't buy this, do buy this. The original e-mail touched on this. Its not that we're spending money, its that we are feeding a mega-machine that we've created.

[MCDavis]

Guys, I have a wife and 4 kids ages 9-13. We have family 40 minutes away and a family beach house 3 hours away. 3 of our kids play travel soccer and play the same out of town tournaments normally, 1 swims, and 4 of us play golf (together when possible). I drive a Yukon XL dressed out nicely but no 20's and it's not a Denali with the biggest engine (although that may be my next car). Wife drives a Lexus R300 (used from parents). We can't even put our whole family in her car. When she had her Windstar mini-van, we couldn't put everything inside the van for a weekend at the beach. In my car, we went 15 hours straight to Florida with enough stuff for a week's vacation AND a cooler for the trip and everyone was comfortable.

I will continue to drive a Yukon XL (Suburban) V8 for many years. I have the need and frankly, I have the means (not being rude, just honest). Of course, "means" isn't always income...

Sure I care about gas prices...but what can I really change? I've thought about it and my best solution IS a large SUV. There is no better solution for my family.

[JEFF4i]

MC....can I come live with you? Please?

[MCDavis]

Originally Posted by JEFF4i

MC....can I come live with you? Please?

I can't afford you...gotta put gas in my SUV!!!

[JEFF4i]

No need to afford! I can sleep anywhere, cook for myself, and do a nasty jig!

[ualtim]

Just out of curiousity, was this email put out by someone working for the 2nd or 3rd largest gasoline seller?

I remember getting an email a few years ago telling me to buy my gas at Citgo because it was Venezuelan gas versus Middle East gas and it was the ONLY way to lower gas prices by supporting Venezuelan oil companies (looks like a great idea now, huh?). Gee, I wonder who started that email?

Like most chain letters, I am highly skeptical unless the originator of the email fully identies him/herself and their interests.

[Rockford35]

Originally Posted by MCDavis

Guys, I have a wife and 4 kids ages 9-13. We have family 40 minutes away and a family beach house 3 hours away. 3 of our kids play travel soccer and play the same out of town tournaments normally, 1 swims, and 4 of us play golf (together when possible). I drive a Yukon XL dressed out nicely but no 20's and it's not a Denali with the biggest engine (although that may be my next car). Wife drives a Lexus R300 (used from parents). We can't even put our whole family in her car. When she had her Windstar mini-van, we couldn't put everything inside the van for a weekend at the beach. In my car, we went 15 hours straight to Florida with enough stuff for a week's vacation AND a cooler for the trip and everyone was comfortable.

I will continue to drive a Yukon XL (Suburban) V8 for many years. I have the need and frankly, I have the means (not being rude, just honest). Of course, "means" isn't always income...

Sure I care about gas prices...but what can I really change? I've thought about it and my best solution IS a large SUV. There is no better solution for my family.

The choice is yours.

Of course, I grew up in a 4 child family without a 300HP SUV and we made out fine doing all of what you've outlined here.

There are people that have the means an exploit it for their own creature comforts. And, there are others that consiously want to make an impact on their footprint on the environment.

The way I look at it is that i'd like to leave the world as "clean" as it is now for my kids, and their kids and so on. The small efforts made today aren't for my satisfaction, but for theirs.

R35

[cwo2lt]

Originally Posted by LyleG

I have to agree with Rock on this. Does a mother driving kids to school, and to ballet and sports really need a 300 horsepower SUV? Its all about image imo.

By the same token who really needs to play golf?

There are people that have the means an exploit it for their own creature comforts. And, there are others that consiously want to make an impact on their footprint on the environment.

The way I look at it is that i'd like to leave the world as "clean" as it is now for my kids, and their kids and so on. The small efforts made today aren't for my satisfaction, but for theirs.

Again, golf. With all the chemicals needed for nice green grass, gasoline for the mowers and your car (non v-8) to get you there, the natural resources to make the equipment and fuel to ship it to you, the fuel for the UPS truck everytime you ho a club. Can't be very good for the environment can it? Somewhere someone doesn't like what you're doing and wants to outlaw it too.

Point is be careful what you want to make a law against, can be turned on you very quickly.

[MCDavis]

Originally Posted by Rockford35

The choice is yours.

Of course, I grew up in a 4 child family without a 300HP SUV and we made out fine doing all of what you've outlined here.

There are people that have the means an exploit it for their own creature comforts. And, there are others that consiously want to make an impact on their footprint on the environment.

The way I look at it is that i'd like to leave the world as "clean" as it is now for my kids, and their kids and so on. The small efforts made today aren't for my satisfaction, but for theirs.

R35

What options did you have then, and what did you use?

Give me some options on vehicles that will handle my family as well. Trust me, I've thought about this a lot...you probably can't name one that will truly fill the need.

As far as for my kids satisfaction, that's a huge part of why I drive what I do.

[SilverUberXeno]

Originally Posted by MCDavis

What options did you have then, and what did you use?

Give me some options on vehicles that will handle my family as well. Trust me, I've thought about this a lot...you probably can't name one that will truly fill the need.

As far as for my kids satisfaction, that's a huge part of why I drive what I do.

This is a good point here MC. Taking one big car uses less gas than taking >1 smaller cars. And like I mentioned, the new Silverado has the engine that can alternate as a 4cyl on the highway. Expect to see this in EVERY large vehicle from this point on.

And as the cwo2lt stated, nobody NEEDS a 300hp V8. But nobody needs golf, or a beach house, or more than three outfits, if that. If life were just about NEED, we'd be in the Soviet Union. Life is about enjoyment. If I get my kicks driving 185mph with my 1976 XJ12, then that's what I'm going to do. (For the record, that was just an example. I wouldn't actually do that.)

Fact of the matter is that people are individuals who make their own choices based on the options provided. Redundant, but if it's worth $4.00 or so for mt to go 8 miles really fast, I'll do it.

If the point of all this "ban this ban that" is just wholesome environmental conservation, by all means I support that concept. I would like to see the Redwood Forest, and the national parks of the U.S. But the way to save those things is not by sacrificing our way of life. It's NOT worth it to me to stop driving to save a tree. Capitalism will innovate when enough people are willing to invest in it.

At this point, oil/gas is still worth the "high" price. Once it breaks the threshold, there's gonna be all that $ per gallon free to be invested in an alternate fuel source, or alternate transportation.

Be ready to see the paradigm change. Don't stand in its way. Best thing the government can do for the economy is back the hell off.

[SCGolfer]

I ultimately don't really care what people drive, as I stated earlier my family does not have fuel efficient vehicles, I have looked into it but haven't come up with a better option. If you can afford it and it fits your lifestyle then it is fine with me. I have not seen any decrease in lifestyle with gas prices rising.....it sucks.....but it is what it is. I think what will help fuel consumption decrease even more is when the dude behind the counter at the mcdonalds that lives in a 1982 single wide and drives an escalade on 24's can no longer afford it. How far can he stretch when gas is $4.00?? Ultimately fuel consumption is decreasing at this moment, people are not driving as far and making less trips to places they don't need to go, but gas is still rising do to the cost of gas as it relates to crude oil. Refiners are not making any money, so gas must rise for them to fined it profitable to make gas. What if oil gets so high, that refineries just say the hell with it and don't make any gas because it isn't profitable?? That would be a hell of a spot for us to be in....

Jason

[Pa Jayhawk]

You must be on the same E-mail list as me.

I already hold out on Exxon ever since the Validez. Not that I think much about the environment while cruising around in my SUV looking for a different Gas supplier to use, but anyone that make that kind of money better learn to clean up after themselves after when they ship captain decides it's fun to cruise around the sound half lit. In the same sense, when they come in and piss on my carpet, I won't make it so easy for them to come in the next time and they will not only have to pay to recarpet my LR, but pay for the next time as well. Since there are not many Mobil's in our area, I guess that will be easy on me.

Although I have to wonder if this is some e-mail generated by an OPEC representative in an effort to target not buying from US companies. Not sure they would give to shites about Mobil or Exxon when it simply provides more demand for their product, and they have already shown that they have no intent on allowing the US to set the price points. Seems like it would be easier and more beneficial for the 300 million people to write their representatives and tell them if they don't get off their arse and start taking measures to curtail the increase, that is likely enough voters to assure we can find someone who will.

Then if something is done, like charging them 5 times the cost to export food to their country because they can't grow corn the middle of their oil field, we can target Mobil and Exxon to follow suit. Possibly tell them if they don't, they may want to look at what happened to the big 3 auto makers when the government tried to throw them a bone back in the 80's by making it expensive for the foreign companies to import their product.

If nothing else, at least maybe the farmers would get rich in the process. Instead the government sits on their hands and tries their environmentally conscious ethanol BS, which only cause the price of corn to sky rocket and forces only the price of food in the USA to increase because farmers are burdened with paying more to keep their livestock alive.

[cwo2lt]

BTW, don't you guys know about snopes? This "email" has been around for a long time.

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