Patrick Roy's son in fight in Junior Hockey

[Pa Jayhawk]

This actually is more of a mugging than a fight. This is actually pretty ridiculous, what he did, and I am one that feels they do to much to limit fighting and take away a big part of the game in doing so. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see if criminal charges are not filed in this one even though the other goalie was kind of a pussy. May not see that side of him again, as that could get him tossed out of the league for a long time. Also includes the Roy~Osgood fight from the 90's.
Jonathan Roy Involved in Fight - ESPN Video

[SilverUberXeno]

Why is this unusual? I'm not a hockey watcher, but I don't see anything extraordinary there. Nothing like some of those hits you guys posted a while back.

[King Par]

It's unusual because he went after the other goalie, pulled his mask off, and proceeded to punch the goalie while he turtled. That doesn't fly.

Also, the fact that he get's somewhat physical with the ref doesn't help him either. I'm pretty sure the ref warned him tons of times while he was going crazy in his end. I can't imagine the fines the team is going to have to pay, especially if they were considered the instigators. A minor team in La Ronge, Junior A hockey, had, I think it was $1000 in fines, or so, from starting a line brawl. Which sucked because they split it between the team and not the organization. So the two that started it each had to pay $400 and $300, and the other guys paid $100 each. Which is hard because, to begin with, each player is only given $500 a month, I'm pretty sure. (This is all memorization, I may be wrong somewhere. But this was most of it).

And sticking the middle finger usually gets you a warning, I know that first hand.

Like father like son, I never respected Patrick from a personal point of view. Goalie wise? He's amazing.

I can't wait to see the outcome.

[TheWOAT]

What a thug. If that guy wasnt playing hockey he'd be in and out of jail for bar fights. I cant stand the thuggery in the NHL and hockey in general.

[King Par]

Originally Posted by TheWOAT

What a thug. If that guy wasnt playing hockey he'd be in and out of jail for bar fights. I cant stand the thuggery in the NHL and hockey in general.

One name comes to mind.. Steve Downie.

I'm all for the rough stuff, but lately this has been too much. Someone needs to make a step in the right direction, make a new rule that will make these idiot not want to be like this. Needs to be more than just a slap on the wrist, IMO.

And without double standards... 30 games for simon, 8 for pronger? uhh... i know simon has a history, but that's no reason for pronger to get a quarter of the suspension that simon's got. It should be more, at least half.

[Pa Jayhawk]

He only drew a seven game suspension. His father got 5 for prejudicial conduct. Interested to see how this will pan out next time he plays on whether he'll have a target on his back. The opposing player that came in got 6 games for leaving the penalty box. They should be happy the opposing goalie didn't take his stick to Roy and put him in the hospital, as it likely would have been justified

Patrick Roy, son suspended for hockey melee

I guess retribution may also likely be that Chicoutimi still has they're goalie, and with the suspensions and the series tied, it will likely mark the end of Quebec's season. Kinda makes you wonder if a team wants a goalie can throw your teams season away in something like this. Further suprised in that he likely would have drawn a similar suspension just for the other actions outside of the fight.

[VtDivot]

Saw this on the tube last night... what a disgrace. I enjoy the physical nature of the game, but if the other guy doesn't wanna go - you don't dance. Simple as that... he should have gotten more games.

[Sandpiper3]

To kingpar, I cannot believe it when people say "pronger doesnt have a history"... Thats complete BS, i've got 3 examples from last year's playoffs alone.

Ive gota check this out, but as mentioned above, when someones turtling you have to have the respect to back off knowing youve already kicked his ass if he has to resort to that.

edit- just watched.

Wow... J Roy musta been some kinda pissed off...? If the other goalie doesnt want to fight in a line brawl, go take on another player... Completely beats the crap outta him, waves the fingers to the crowd and takes on another kid... What a disgrace. I wonder how the convo went at dinner after the game at the Roy's home.

btw- Roy vs. Osgood, best goalie fight ever, BOTH GOALIES wanted to fight, none of that J Roy crap. Theres respect in the Roy v. Osgood fight.

[Dusty90]

When I saw this fight I was actually kind of disgusted, and like PA Jayhawk, I think major hockey leagues are doing to much to limit fighting. As a goalie, I really don't see why J. Roy felt the need to go down to the other end of the ice to fight the other goalie who clearly did not want to fight. If one of your team members is getting jumped or is in need of help, or if the other goalie wants to fight as well, than that is a completely different story.

I am a big fan of hockey, and I also really like seeing the rough play, but between some of the vicious head checks, stomping on players and just recently this, it seems that some players have lost respect for there opposition. Its kind of sad really.

And to address the Pronger incident, yes he does have a history, but it also wasn't as bad as Simon's stomp. However, with that said, I still think that he should have gotten at least 10 games, maybe even up to 13 max

[King Par]

Originally Posted by Sandpiper3

To kingpar, I cannot believe it when people say "pronger doesnt have a history"... Thats complete BS, i've got 3 examples from last year's playoffs alone.

Pronger's been suspended 14 games total, before his the stomp on kesler.

Chris Simon had 38 games before his most recent 30, from stomping on ruutu.

I know Pronger's not the cleanest player, but when it comes to suspensions, he's no where near Simon.

[Sandpiper3]

Which is rediculous, he should have at least minimum 3x the amount of games suspended as he's been given throughout his career. No he is nowhere near the level of Simon, but by no stretch is he as close as he should be.

I'd easily put Pronger on a list if I wrote out a "Top Dirtiest Player in the NHL", along with Simon for sure.

[King Par]

I don't know if I'd go to that extreme as to say he's Top Dirtiest Player in the NHL, but he is pretty dirty.

I lost respect for him in the play off's of '07. Elbow and a hit to the head? He's gotta smarten up.

I don't even know what Simon is doing in the NHL anymore. I'm willing to bet that there are tons of guys in the AHL that are just as fast, with a better head on their shoulders, which would benefit a team more than a 30 game suspension, imo.

[LyleG]

The thing with Simon is that he had just come back from a 25 game suspension for trying to decapitate someone. Less than 10 games later he stomps on someones leg. This is someone who just doesn't get it, and clearly showed no respect for anything with the time line of his infractions. At least have the decency to wait a full season before kicking someone.

Yes Pronger plays hard, can be dirty, and at many times allows his emotions to get the better of him. He is also 1 of, if not the best defensemen in the NHL. This doesn't necessarily give him a free pass, but it does point out that his main reason for being on the ice is his playing ability. With Simon the same cannot be said.

[Pa Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by Dusty90

When I saw this fight I was actually kind of disgusted, and like PA Jayhawk, I think major hockey leagues are doing to much to limit fighting. As a goalie, I really don't see why J. Roy felt the need to go down to the other end of the ice to fight the other goalie who clearly did not want to fight. If one of your team members is getting jumped or is in need of help, or if the other goalie wants to fight as well, than that is a completely different story.

I am a big fan of hockey, and I also really like seeing the rough play, but between some of the vicious head checks, stomping on players and just recently this, it seems that some players have lost respect for there opposition. Its kind of sad really.

I actually think by the league doing to much, it has only been counterproductive and led to this "Loss of Respect" that you mention.

Perfect example is the Late Instigator rule. This IMO has to be one of the most ridiculous rules in hockey for the purpose that it meant to serve. It likely is a good part of the reason you see these cheap shots. I also feel without it, they left their baggage on the ice at the end of the game. Now it is simply a matter of taking cheap shots or carrying the baggage over to the next time they meet. Yet this was inducted when the prior year there likely were not much more than a dozen cases (I believe 16), where it would have been penalized in the prior year. I actually think in many cases where there is a blowout, it simply fuels the fire. Kinda like saying, "If your gonna step over the line you may as well make it count, because your gonna get a suspension anyways" Where as I believe by the "old school" hockey rules, the players had control over the tempo of the game, which in large part was controlled for what you mention, "Out of Respect".

All year I have been joking about the Caps~Penguins series and how Brashear and Laraque haven't faced off. There is a reason for this. Although in the same match ups, I have likely seen more cheap shots in the end, that only fuel the fire and carry it over to the next match up. Where you simply see even more cheap shots starting earlier in the game. Where if they would just let guys like Brashear and Laraque do a big part of their job on the ice, you likely would run a far less risk of losing your players to injury or suspension.

Not even to mention that it is just an integral of the game. Kinda like the handshake at the end of the series. Both teams left everything on the ice, and it's time to move on. Now it seems simply out of formality that they do this, even though they lack the respect for the opposing players, simply because they have been doing it for years.


edit 1 - FYI, Quebec Prosecutes have now ordered a criminal investigation in the incident