stack and tilt!

[oldpro]

Hi first post here! Im useing stack and tilt and was wondering if anyone is doing it also and hows it working for you.

[dave.]

I had a laugh with it and declared it to be utter tosh. Some like it though, but I am entitled to an opinion.

[Eracer]

Originally Posted by dave.

I had a laugh with it and declared it to be utter tosh. Some like it though, but I am entitled to an opinion.

They let you believe that...FOOL!

[eclark53520]

I heard about it and was told it was more for people with a problem with hooks and pulls...that wasnt my problem at the time so i didnt even give it a chance...

Might start looking into it now...maybe a quick explination or a link?

[SilverUberXeno]

Golf Digest did a two-issue article about it where they explain the fundamentals. It seems a fairly sound technique, but I wouldn't say it's BETTER necessarily. I don't recall enough of it to give you an accurate synopsis, but perhaps you could find some info on their website.

[Sandpiper3]

I really have no idea what "kind" of swing I have.

I just hit the ball properly

[warbirdlover]

I have been using a form of it since before it was "discovered" and given this name. It just works for me but I'm sure other methods work just as well for others. It works for me because I've got limited flexibility in my back and over many years working on my own swing ended up with it.

[LyleG]

Originally Posted by warbirdlover

I have been using a form of it since before it was "discovered" and given this name. It just works for me but I'm sure other methods work just as well for others. It works for me because I've got limited flexibility in my back and over many years working on my own swing ended up with it.

I think they call that the "reverse pivot" not that theres anything wrong with that.

[Bignose]

Originally Posted by eclark53520

I heard about it and was told it was more for people with a problem with hooks and pulls...that wasnt my problem at the time so i didnt even give it a chance...

Might start looking into it now...maybe a quick explination or a link?

There are two sparse articles in Golf Digest. Sparse being a key word there, since there isn't much given, really.

There is supposed to be DVD coming out this April from the primary instructors/inventors (Plummer and Bennett).

I've heard that a primary difficulty with it is driver and long fairway woods. That it is very easy to adopt for iron swings, but difficult to adopt for the longer clubs that need to be more swept than struck downwardly.

If you are thinking of adopting it, I'd definitely wait until the DVD comes out. I think that if you are doing it 100% correctly, it probably isn't bad for you. But, it has a pretty violent move with the hip thrust/bumpy thing, that if you are NOT doing it correctly, I can see it causing all sorts of back and hip problems. This is true in any golf swing -- do it right and it shouldn't cause any problems, but do it wrong and you're putting yourself at risk. But, with the more violent move there, I think that the risk is greater if you do S&T wrong.

Finally, I think that the truly dishonest thing about the little that Bennett and Plummer has let out is their use of Hogan and Snead and others. Hogan's swing is nothing at all like S&T, yet they invoke his name -- primarily because everyone knows his reputation and think "well, if it was good enough for Hogan, it's good enough for me" even though to date they hadn't been doing anything like Hogan in the first place. Then, just recently, they put out a notice that Tiger is using some parts of Stack and Tilt, which again is just nuts. Maybe someday (who knows?), but his swing today is nothing like S&T. He keeps his head centered was what they were talking about. So do an awful lot of other players. Just because S&T shares a few ideas with other swings, doesn't mean that someone is then "doing" "part" of S&T.

As a friend on another forum joked, he's going to invent the "On Plane and Sweet Spot Contact Swing" where you deliver the club on plane at impact and hit the ball on the sweet spot of the club. And, now, he's got immediate credence! Everyone on tour is using his swing! He will be the next great instructor! It is a parody of how the S&T guys have marketed themselves, claiming different people, current and past, were doing forms of S&T. If this is true, there are so many "forms" of S&T that every single swing is one. I just feel like they have been way too aggressive about marketing themselves and way too liberal in saying what old players were doing. Slow motion video evidence shows that what they say and what actually was happening are two very different things.

[Clugnut]

I messed around with it last year. I never hit irons better in my life, but I lost the ability to hit driver. I mean completely lost it. The contact on shots off the ground, however, were the best I've ever had. I think that some of the fundamentals transfer from swing to swing. I personally have trouble getting back on my left side sometimes, and practicing S and T helped that.

Personally, in the long run, I don't think its the solution to my game, but to each his own.

[warbirdlover]

I think they call that the "reverse pivot" not that theres anything wrong with that.

LyleG

They're going to give my swing it's own name.... "stack and hack"!!!

[TheWOAT]

Originally Posted by Bignose

There are two sparse articles in Golf Digest. Sparse being a key word there, since there isn't much given, really.

There is supposed to be DVD coming out this April from the primary instructors/inventors (Plummer and Bennett).

I've heard that a primary difficulty with it is driver and long fairway woods. That it is very easy to adopt for iron swings, but difficult to adopt for the longer clubs that need to be more swept than struck downwardly.

If you are thinking of adopting it, I'd definitely wait until the DVD comes out. I think that if you are doing it 100% correctly, it probably isn't bad for you. But, it has a pretty violent move with the hip thrust/bumpy thing, that if you are NOT doing it correctly, I can see it causing all sorts of back and hip problems. This is true in any golf swing -- do it right and it shouldn't cause any problems, but do it wrong and you're putting yourself at risk. But, with the more violent move there, I think that the risk is greater if you do S&T wrong.

Finally, I think that the truly dishonest thing about the little that Bennett and Plummer has let out is their use of Hogan and Snead and others. Hogan's swing is nothing at all like S&T, yet they invoke his name -- primarily because everyone knows his reputation and think "well, if it was good enough for Hogan, it's good enough for me" even though to date they hadn't been doing anything like Hogan in the first place. Then, just recently, they put out a notice that Tiger is using some parts of Stack and Tilt, which again is just nuts. Maybe someday (who knows?), but his swing today is nothing like S&T. He keeps his head centered was what they were talking about. So do an awful lot of other players. Just because S&T shares a few ideas with other swings, doesn't mean that someone is then "doing" "part" of S&T.

As a friend on another forum joked, he's going to invent the "On Plane and Sweet Spot Contact Swing" where you deliver the club on plane at impact and hit the ball on the sweet spot of the club. And, now, he's got immediate credence! Everyone on tour is using his swing! He will be the next great instructor! It is a parody of how the S&T guys have marketed themselves, claiming different people, current and past, were doing forms of S&T. If this is true, there are so many "forms" of S&T that every single swing is one. I just feel like they have been way too aggressive about marketing themselves and way too liberal in saying what old players were doing. Slow motion video evidence shows that what they say and what actually was happening are two very different things.

Ive also read a LOOOONG discussion on SnT on another forum, and I agree with your post. There was also a concern about over time this swing could ruin your back..

I havent tried SnT, havent read about it in depth, but know the jist of it... and after looking at a recent video of myself, it seems that I stack and tilt, but at least I arrived there on my own, hehe. but, I tend to keep centered over the ball with irons, but with my back knee pointed in a little so I wont sway in the back swing.. .

at the top it looks like Im leaning towards the target, even though most of my weight is on my back leg. I believe they show Ben Hogan in a similar lower body position and proclaim that he is doing stack and tilt by having his weight on the front at the top of the swing... BUT, anyone can look in front of a mirror, and keep the leg on the back foot, yet appear that its "stacked"... anyways... A SnT disciple at his forum tried to float the rumor that Tiger is going to stack and tilt... which is bullsh-t, but in golf, sometimes BS is believed.

[paulcav]

What's 'stack and tilt' please? It can't surely refer to a rather large chested lady I saw trying to bend over the other day.

[Adam Pettman]

Originally Posted by paulcav

What's 'stack and tilt' please? It can't surely refer to a rather large chested lady I saw trying to bend over the other day.

Actually it does.

[paulcav]

Originally Posted by Adam Pettman

Actually it does.

No, she was really bending over ;-)