10.5 vs 11.5 degree Driver?

[Don]

Sure, maybe his launch angle could be improved, but do you know his clubhead speed? No. So would a increase in loft generate more carry? Not if he's swinging at 60mph. He's better off piping it down the middle with a draw and getting more roll out of hit ball.

Rock35: If you had read the test results that I mentioned, like I did. you would have seen that going from a 10.5* driver to a 15* driver, the carry distance was longer than the total distance for the 10.5* driver. The slower the swing speed, like 60 MPH, the more the added loft helped. In the case of the 60 MPH swing, the gain in yardage, both carry and total was about 25 yards.

Granted, you are correct when you say Chas didnt' ask for "a more lofted driver", he did ask if going from a "10.5 to a 11.5* driver would help". And unless my math is wrong, that is going to a more lofted driver, just not as much as I recommended.

If you did in fact read ALL of what I posted, you would have seen that I did in fact, ASK him if you knew his club head speed. So please, don't accuse me of "selective reading again", when it looks to me like you didn't read everything I posted in my reply. ONE, I did ask for his clubhead speed. TWO, according the the Golfsmith test, a 60 MPH swing would gain the most yardage, more than the 90 MPH swing, So, where am I wrong in this?

Contrary to what was posted here, THERE ARE HIGH LOFT DRIVERS, AS HIGH A 15* AVAILABLE, AND NOT ONLY FOR LADIES. Because I know that those drivers are available, I did in fact recommend Chas try one. And can you please tell me what would be so bad, about a "slow swinging senior", going with a ladies flex driver? Two weeks ago, Golf Galaxy had six 15.5* L flex Ping G2 drivers on sale for $99.99. If Chas were to ask me what he needed, I'd have told him to DEMO that 15.5* driver and see if he hit it well. My guess is that it would have work quite well for his slow swing. and at that price for a 460CC Ping G2, it would have been a great deal for him.

FKA Pa Jayhawk: I don't remember who makes them, but I have seen 16* driver advertised some where. If Chas wanted to, he could have someone like Golfsmith build him a driver using one the the 15* driver heads they sell, and build it with what ever shaft he liked, be it a L flex, or a XXX stiff. Because I happen to believe the man when he told us that he's a slow swinging senior, I'd have to recommend he see if either a L flex or A flex shaft with a low bend point might not be best suited to his swing.


But - "I couldn't disagree more If I took 3 weeks to think about it"???? C'mon man, what the heck is that anyways?

VtDivot: What that was all about, was how far off the statement Rock35 posted was. His statement "With a slower swing speed, I wouldn't be so worried about proper launch angle and face loft." What I can't understand is how someone that claims to know so much about golf, could make such a statement, when it's the slow swinging golfer that NEEDS TO LAUNCH THE BALL HIGHER TO GET MORE DISTANCE. Sorry if I stepped on Rock35's toes here, but that statement be a member of this site that has been here for a long time and has posted a hugh number of replys, carrys a lot of weight for the newer members, and it was so far off, I felt a need to correct it right away, and that's exactly what my post did. Was I wrong to be so bold in my statements, who's to say what right or wrong on a forum like this one? Fact is, I did my research before I posted my reply, and all the data I can find backs up what I posted. The higher lofted drivers do in fact increase distance, and the slower the swing speed, the higher the launch angle needs to be to get the most yardage.

Chas: I stand by my recommendation of you trying a higher lofter driver. Try a 12* and a 15* driver and see what works best for you and your slow swing. For what it's worth, I built a 15* Golfsmith driver for my wife, and she's hitting it much farther then the 12* driver she had. And she is hitting the ball down the middle of the fairway 85 % of the time, much better than with the old driver. I don't know how fast or slow your swing speed is, or how far you hit your driver now. but my wife is now hitting this 15* driver 150-160 yards carry, 175-185 total, and in the short grass. If that's farther than you are hitting your driver, or close, than I'd recommend going with the 15* driver. I have read the test results, and I have not doubt that a 15* driver would help you get more distance off the tee. As for using a 3 wood, that's an option, but why do that when you can get a 460CC Ping G2 with 15.5* of loft and have that nice big club face to work with. A 3 wood will be 150CC to a max of 200CC's. I built my wife a 200CC 3 wood for hitting off the deck, and she has the much easier to hit 400CC 15* driver for off the tee. She has the best of both, and her game has improved greatly having the new driver and woods in her bag. I believe it would do the same for your game and I recommend you demo some drivers and find out if I'm correct. If I'm wrong, I apologize for wasting your time and effort.

[Rockford35]

Don,

I wanted to apologize for my behavior. If I felt (which I didn't) that you were stepping on toes, the last thing I wanted to do was step on yours back. That's not appropriate.

That being said, there is something that you've mentioned that has to be corrected, without question.

"...that statement be a member of this site that has been here for a long time and has posted a hugh number of replys, carrys a lot of weight for the newer members."

(sarcasm on) I must - MUST - reiterate that most of my statements carry no weight. Contrary to your statement, I must say that this is an outright lie. (sarcasm off)

I think we can both agree that the goal of answering questions here is to offer 1) an answer to the question while at the same time 2) offering sound advice if another avenue is an option.

I had just come in from snowblowing the yard and was super tired when i went off on that post. My bad.

What you've discussed in terms of loft differences holds water. And, it could/should be something that Chas should explore alongside getting tested for a proper shaft/head/launch fitting. I think this is obviously the best avenue he can explore.

(Sorry to the rest of you cronies for threadjacking for this little interlude. )

Cheers,

R35

[dave.]

Don has made a powerful arguement for spin balancing,I am just being honest when I say I can't be bothered with it,there is so much else to think about.But thats shouldn't detract from his persuasive posts above.

And unlike Rock I hope my posts hold great sway with the newbies,they should read my posts and no others because I am the only one that is always right and I'm by far the best golfer here,in fact,I'm better than Seve was at my age.

[VtDivot]

Originally Posted by Don

But - "I couldn't disagree more If I took 3 weeks to think about it"???? C'mon man, what the heck is that anyways?

VtDivot: What that was all about, was how far off the statement Rock35 posted was. His statement "With a slower swing speed, I wouldn't be so worried about proper launch angle and face loft." What I can't understand is how someone that claims to know so much about golf, could make such a statement, when it's the slow swinging golfer that NEEDS TO LAUNCH THE BALL HIGHER TO GET MORE DISTANCE. Sorry if I stepped on Rock35's toes here, but that statement be a member of this site that has been here for a long time and has posted a hugh number of replys, carrys a lot of weight for the newer members, and it was so far off, I felt a need to correct it right away, and that's exactly what my post did. Was I wrong to be so bold in my statements, who's to say what right or wrong on a forum like this one? Fact is, I did my research before I posted my reply, and all the data I can find backs up what I posted. The higher lofted drivers do in fact increase distance, and the slower the swing speed, the higher the launch angle needs to be to get the most yardage.

I'm cool with that.

[Rockford35]

Originally Posted by dave.

Don has made a powerful arguement for spin balancing,I am just being honest when I say I can't be bothered with it,there is so much else to think about.But thats shouldn't detract from his persuasive posts above.

And unlike Rock I hope my posts hold great sway with the newbies,they should read my posts and no others because I am the only one that is always right and I'm by far the best golfer here,in fact,I'm better than Seve was at my age.

I sense that subtle UK sarcasm here.....or you're just a jerk!

R35

[IrishGolfer]

Originally Posted by dave.

I'm better than Seve was at my age.

I reckon I too could take the Spanaird if there was a turkey on the line!

[Rockford35]

Originally Posted by IrishGolfer

I reckon I too could take the Spanaird if there was a turkey on the line!

IG,

Seve was his 8 year old neighbour, not Mr. Ballesteros.

R35

[dave.]

I sense that subtle UK sarcasm here.....or you're just a jerk!


Or both

[Rockford35]

You can call me a jerk, but don't ever, EVER say i'm from the UK.

R35

[DaveE]

Originally Posted by Rockford35

You can call me a jerk, but don't ever, EVER say i'm from the UK.

R35

How could that be worse than being from Canada.

[Rockford35]

Originally Posted by DaveE

How could that be worse than being from Canada.

Touche.

I guess if you lived in hell, er, Texas...

R35

[DaveE]

Originally Posted by Rockford35

Touche.

I guess if you lived in hell, er, Texas...

R35

It's 60F and sunny in hell today. How's that snowblower runnin'.

[Rockford35]

You bastard!



R35

[DaveE]

Originally Posted by Rockford35

You bastard!



R35

Ha! I didn't even mention that it's 60 because a cold front came through and cooled things down.

[Kilted Arab]

Originally Posted by dave.

Don has made a powerful arguement for spin balancing,I am just being honest when I say I can't be bothered with it,there is so much else to think about.But thats shouldn't detract from his persuasive posts above.

And unlike Rock I hope my posts hold great sway with the newbies,they should read my posts and no others because I am the only one that is always right and I'm by far the best golfer here,in fact,I'm better than Seve was at my age.

Nice!! You sure you're from Yorkshire??