Tiger & Hogan

[charnockpro]

Looking at tiger's golf swing alongside hogan's i have noticed a similar movement through the ball with the right hand and arm

if you watch both hogan and tiger in the follow through the right wrist stays extended long after the ball has gone unlike many other players whose wrists re ****

[charnockpro]

obviously that post didnt inspire any discussion !!!!

[SiberianDVM]

It's just that watching Tiger swing has no relationship to anything we mere mortals do with a golf club.

It would be nice if Nike would take some old film stock and do a digital enhancement on Hogan's swing, so we could do a side by side comparison of Woods/Hogan.

[cypressperch]

advocates trying to keep the clubface square to the target quite a bit past impact. I believe Tiger does this a tad more than Hogan. Actually, I was surprised that you said Hogan did this as much as Tiger. I use to follow Miller's advise, but have stopped because I tended to keep the clubhead going down the target line too long rather than letting the continuing shoulder turn bring the clubhead inside after impact.

As far as ****ing the wrists goes, I let nature do that both going back and after impact. If I were to take up the method of ****ing my wrists early in the back-swing, I think I would re-**** them after impact for the sake of balance.

There is something timeless, something purely classic about the Hogan swing. I think the same about Sammy Snead's swing. Tiger swings so hard on most shots (It may be 80% of his maximum speed, but it is 100% or more of the speed most golfers have!) that I doubt he will ever be remembered as much for his swing as for his domination of the game during his era. Sort of like Jack. But if you slow down Tiger's swing as in the all black Nike ad, you will see an amazingly beautiful swing that is sort of hidden by the blinding speed.

Sincerely, Cypressperch

[Ravenous Bugblatter Beast]

Originally Posted by charnockpro

Looking at tiger's golf swing alongside hogan's i have noticed a similar movement through the ball with the right hand and arm

if you watch both hogan and tiger in the follow through the right wrist stays extended long after the ball has gone unlike many other players whose wrists re ****

I'd say this is a pretty natural result of what it takes to increase the supination just before and through impact, as described by Hogan in 5 Lessons. If you do it like he describes, there's pretty much no other path the swing can follow.

[charnockpro]

Watching tiger swing thru the PGA this week, on his straight iron shots his swing again is very like hogans through the immediate impact area, i wonder whether this is a conscious Haney move?

[dave.]

Tiger is a huge Hogan fan,but I think you might be referring to Tigers hold-off,he hits most shots like this nowadays

[BigJim13]

Originally Posted by charnockpro

Watching tiger swing thru the PGA this week, on his straight iron shots his swing again is very like hogans through the immediate impact area, i wonder whether this is a conscious Haney move?

I think, and i could be wrong, that this is a by product of Haney's teaching. I think he used Hogan's swing and methods as a basis of what his teaching is. Obviously he tailors his instruction to the level of each player, and i agree that Tiger's move is looking alot like Hogan. His control of the golfball is more and more impressive each time i watch him. We should all feel lucky because we are watching possibly the greatest of all time.

[charnockpro]

He aint holdin it off buddy, it is more like a hyper extension through the ball, keeping the club online for a long while

[dave.]

You can still hold off and have 'hyper extension',in fact,that makes the hold off easier to feel.As you said,it looks like he is holding the clubface square all the way through,thats what I meant by hold off,ensuring he doesn't turn it over.Hogan rarely hit a straight shot,he nearly always hit it high/low fade/draw and Tiger seems now to hit most irons hard but with a determined effort to hold the face square.Its almost as if he hits every shot as a stinger but to varying degrees.

[BigJim13]

Originally Posted by dave.

You can still hold off and have 'hyper extension',in fact,that makes the hold off easier to feel.As you said,it looks like he is holding the clubface square all the way through,thats what I meant by hold off,ensuring he doesn't turn it over.Hogan rarely hit a straight shot,he nearly always hit it high/low fade/draw and Tiger seems now to hit most irons hard but with a determined effort to hold the face square.Its almost as if he hits every shot as a stinger but to varying degrees.

I doubt very much that Hogan hit a draw unless he absolutley had to. His entire goal with his swing and book was to NOT hit the ball left EVER. That is what Tiger is doing as well, his goal is to eliminate half of the golf course....

[Loop]

Originally Posted by Ravenous Bugblatter Beast

I'd say this is a pretty natural result of what it takes to increase the supination just before and through impact, as described by Hogan in 5 Lessons. If you do it like he describes, there's pretty much no other path the swing can follow.

If you see carefully, there is no supination (or quite minimal) of the wrists before and through impact. It's the cores rotation that squares the clubface...

[cypressperch]

today, it makes a lot more sense to hit straighter shots today. Straight shots are so much easier today. Get a real persimmon head driver and find some balata wound balls. Then go out and try to hit some straight shots, and while you are at it, bend a few right and left. The difference is amazing.

A lot of pros are taking one side of the hole out of play, but they spend a lot of time in the rough anyway. I know the fairways are more narrow, and the holes longer, but they still get in the rough a lot.

Tiger showed some of the best golf course management of his career during this PGA Championship. When he had won a couple of majors and they talked of his passing Jack's record, I thought that was about the wildest thing I had ever heard. Now, it looks like its just a matter of time.
Someone has to come along that is not out there right now that can win enough to prevent Tiger from going way past the Nicklaus record. A healthy Ryan Moore might win several. I take my hat off to Ryan having to swing that way, and still scoring that well.

Sincerely, Cypressperch

[cashbassorass]

new guy here.....but did u see that shot from the divot on sat...and...he takes a divot the size of a football and sticks it!...i dont care how he hit it!.....

played it well back in his stance though!

[charnockpro]

I agree with loop, Haney does seem to teach a rotational one plane swing this is a s loop said a hyper extension mixed with rotation to square the club up for a long time!!!