Articles on "Stand-Up Fundamentals"

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Boy is this tough!! In the conversations we were having on consistency a lot of good stuff came up. I think I can get by some of the confusion with some articles I have written. If you would like me to send you one just e mail me. What I'd like you guys to see is what Woods, Hogan< Nelson, Toms, Scott and others would look like if they were making their swings standing up like a baseball player. It's pretty cool!

[dave.]

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Why? What use would this be? I can't relate to your baseball analogies because over here in the UK we have only ever played the far more brutal version,rounders,usually with girls.

[charnockpro]

Whilst i understand your analogies regarding baseball, as i always say there is more than one way to skin a cat and a lot of what the golf swing is about depends on the build and stature of a student as well as physical ailments and capabilities.

That said it is apleasure to have someone of your standing on here and nice to have a fellow pro in the mix

[dave.]

I was being serious,I don't know what this will do to help a golfer,seeing a swing in an upright position,I am interested to find out how.

[Pa Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by dave.

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Why? What use would this be? I can't relate to your baseball analogies because over here in the UK we have only ever played the far more brutal version,rounders,usually with girls.

Dave,
I don't think he was talking directly to you.

Sorry, one man's garbage is another man's gold. IMO, this rule applies as much in golf instruction as any other case. I have found many instructors that people swear by that do nothing for me. Being able to relate to what an instructor is saying is the key to being able to learn, in my opinion. I think the key is that at least in The States a large number of people can relate to the baseball swing because they played the sport prior to golf, and a large portion actually base their golf swing on how they would swing a bat because it is something that was engrained into them since they were old enough to walk. In the same sense, if an instructor tried to teach me how to develop a stroke around cricket, I would likely find it useless for me because the second they mentioned the term "wicket", my eyes would probably glaze over. I guess you'll likely just have to sit this one out unless you maybe want to try and learn a thing or two about baseball through reverse engineering.

If you took a perfect golf swing at impact, and raised the clubface to knee level, you would find the swing you would need to use to hit a ball between the Pitcher and 2nd baseman in the American sport of baseball.

Still haven't been able to try this out or see the results, but I can relate to it in large part. It actually gives me a whole new thought process I can check into when standing over the ball. Only time will tell as far as results go.

[Pa Jayhawk]

... maybe these will provide better visuals for those unfamiliar with baseball and the relation.
http://www.mlb.com/images/2004/07/13/CGE8eRPC.jpg
http://www.mlb.com/images/2004/07/13/nIjeSw7U.jpg
http://www.mlb.com/images/2004/04/14/aqY3LQLL.jpg

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Originally Posted by charnockpro

Whilst i understand your analogies regarding baseball, as i always say there is more than one way to skin a cat and a lot of what the golf swing is about depends on the build and stature of a student as well as physical ailments and capabilities.

That said it is apleasure to have someone of your standing on here and nice to have a fellow pro in the mix

What it depends on is the golfclub since that is what hits the ball.

Our brains can form an intent to swing something, and our different body types, ailments and all will find a way to cooperate in how it swings the club.

Although things look different body types, if they hit the same type of shot the clubs would look identical at impact!

It is likewise nice to talk with a fellow PGA Teaching Professional? Where do you teach?

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Originally Posted by dave.

I was being serious,I don't know what this will do to help a golfer,seeing a swing in an upright position,I am interested to find out how.

Send me an email, and I'll send you part of this article I wrote for my students.

It shows what a Tour Players golf swing would look like in this upright position. (as if he were hitting a knee high line drive)

Keep an open mind when you look at these pictures and understand that 30 handicap Mrs Hagistram and her 50 year old buddies in her ladies clinic can quite easily mimic these pictures!

Having been able to feel what a Tour Player might feel if he were making swings standing up (like the pictures you'll see) it is not hard to ween them down into posture and they are soon hiiting great shots!!!

It beats the alternative of standard golf instruction! Even someone from another country who has zero experience with baseball can mimic these pictures quite naturally (we inately know how to swing like this), and can then can the same or better results as Mrs Havicamp!

Take a look at the pictures in the article, and then let me know.

[charnockpro]

Although things look different body types, if they hit the same type of shot the clubs would look identical at impact! Explain this quote or put in better syntax

I teach at Charnock Richard and although i appreciate your development in teaching and invention of many gadgets, i subscribe to the school of thought whereby you take each case as you see it and dont apply a one swing fits all theory