Final Numbers on the TVC material

[indacup]

Since we discussed this so much, I asked (and received) the numbers on the face material.......and now we can see why this head hits 15% longer.....in part, because the face material is 15% more resilient.

6-4 TitaniumUnless stated specifically titanium heads advertised as Beta-Titanium use this alloy(6-4 Titanium) for the shell of the head and Beta-Titanium(15-3-3-3 Beta-Ti) in the face.>>

Density (lb/in³)>>	Tensile Strength (psi)>>	Hardness>>	Elongation(%)>>
0.16 >>	135,000 >>	36 HRC>>	15 >>

15-3-3-3 Forged Beta-TiTitanium is used in wood heads manufactured with the formula 15V-3Sn-3Cr-3Al: these are 76% Titanium, 15% Vanadium, 3% Tin, 3% Chromium and 3% Aluminum . >>

Density (lb/in³)>>	Tensile Strength (psi)>>	Hardness>>	Elongation(%)>>
0.172>>	145,000 >>	32 HRC>>	8>>

15-5-3 TitaniumNot more than 75% titanium, 15% Molybdenum, 5% Zirconium and 3% Aluminum. The most common used in high quality woods. Harder than 17-4 stainless steel.>>

Density (lb/in³)>>	Tensile Strength (psi)>>	Hardness>>	Elongation(%)>>
0.181>>	181,000>>	35 HRC>>	5>>

10-2-3 TitaniumTitanium is used in wood heads manufactured with the formula 10V-2Fe-3Al: these are 85% Titanium, 10% Vanadium and 3% Aluminum . Titanium is often used very rarely in golf. Airplane black boxes>>

Density (lb/in³)>>	Tensile Strength (psi)>>	Hardness>>	Elongation(%)>>
0.168>>	180,000 >>	41 HRC>>	6>>

SP700 Titanium Titanium is used in wood heads manufactured with the formula 4.5Al-2.5Fe-2Mo-3V: these are 88% Titanium, 4.5% Aluminum, 2.5% Iron, 2% Molybdenum and 3% Vanadium. Japanese grade tested heat treated >>

Density (lb/in³)>>	Tensile Strength (psi)>>	Hardness>>	Elongation(%)>>
0.163>>	148,000 >>	45 HRC>>	19>>

TVC
DENSITY TENSILE STRENGTH HARDNESS ELONG
.171 171,428 48 HRC 11

[SilverUberXeno]

"10-2-3 Titanium...Titanium is often used very rarely in golf."

THAT sounds like some hardcore marketing!

I asked in the other thread, but don't recall an answer... What do these numbers mean in respect to performance in the golf club? Which number affects which trait? And what is the gain in perfomance as these numbers rise and fall across the spectrum of steel?

[Wi-Golfer]

Someone else can decipher that jumbled mess, took my meds & everything is spinning right now.

[mddubya]

Don't feel bad Wi, I haven't had any meds and it made no sense to me either, lol. I'm sure that will mean something to WBL, but not me.

[MIKE1218]

I still don't get the connection here. If the face is 15% 'more resilient' it has to go beyond the ruling body's legal limits. How is it possible that EVERY other head is that far behind this one, yet it remains legal if drivers have supposedly been at the limit for a long time?

Why hasn't every tour player (without a contract forcing them to play a certain driver) switched to this immediately, Rory?

You gonna have one of these at the Green Bay Golf Expo? I'm bringing my driver to compare.

[mddubya]

From what I've gathered from the previous thread, Rory is claiming that the big manufacturers are claiming to be at the limit, without actually being there. Whereas the TVC is actually just barely within the high end of the over the limit tolerances.

If this is the case it would explain how every year, or in TM's case every other week, they can bring out a new and longer driver. They are merely getting closer to the actual limit that they have been claiming they were already at.

[MIKE1218]

Originally Posted by mddubya

From what I've gathered from the previous thread, Rory is claiming that the big manufacturers are claiming to be at the limit, without actually being there. Whereas the TVC is actually just barely within the high end of the over the limit tolerances.

If this is the case it would explain how every year, or in TM's case every other week, they can bring out a new and longer driver. They are merely getting closer to the actual limit that they have been claiming they were already at.

Yeah, and I'm still skeptical. I have to hit this thing for myself, as all the explanation going on here just isn't selling it for me...

[warbirdlover]

I have to wonder about those tensile, elongation and hardness values listed. They don't make sense at all.

Here's the deal. Tensile strength, elongation etc are directly proportional to the hardness in metal. The higher the hardness the higher the tensile strength and the lower the elongation (more brittle). That's the laws of physics and it does not appear possible IMHO that you can have one material at a much higher tensile strength with a lower hardness then another material with a low tensile strength and a higher hardness.

It defies the laws of physics. And the metal's chemistry doesn't matter.

[Wi-Golfer]

If you can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with bullshit.

Looking over the chart at the top of the page again, it still makes no damn sense at all & just seems like an attempt at misdirection.

[RickinMA]

now that i've had a chance to hit this thing, I don't understand the chart, but center face contact is possibly the softest/sweetest feelings I've ever felt with a golf club