PGA Tour suspends 1st player for PED

[Manavs]

Performance Enhancing Drugs (PED's) have been helping this man.

YouTube - PGA Clip

PGA Tour suspends Doug Barron one year for positive drug test - ESPN

don't you all feel safer with doug barron off the tour?

crazy - its obvious he has cortisol/estrogen/low testosterone issues. and now he has to continue to look like this and suffer hormonally without a place to play.
:faintthud

Doug gimme a call lets help you out!

[runninlope]

Tell them to check Tiger

[GolfGirl]

Interesting.....

Doug Barron is 1st to violate PGA Tour drug policy

[N.V.M.]

i read that somewhere... search

[GolfGirl]

i don't know how to delete :(

[N.V.M.]

don't worry, it happens all the time.

[eclark53520]

dupe threads are fun....

its a free-for-all for the post whores like Jeff and his secret lover MC....i'm surprised this has gone this far without him in here yet...


ETA: Aw, damn it. who spliced the threads together?

[Manavs]

Update - Interview on the golf channel
Exclusive: Doug Barron Interview - Golf Video | Golf Channel

this guy is getting railroaded and it pisses me off.

Grab hold of your testicles men - society has been doing a slow castration of anything that is male for years. all the 3 letter agencies have been on a mission for years to remove anything off the market that makes men into more men. specifically testosterone is a class 3 substance in the states. Pro hormones are now illegal and banned since 2005. and just this year bodybuilding.com was raided and served papers at the mr olympia show for "distribution" (which was false).

Major supplement companies are now removing anti-estrogen and testosterone boosting supplements for the fear they will be raided.

yet female hormones and anything that increases estrogen is still okay.

thats my .02 vent of the day. Doug Barron is just trying to get into the normal ranges and is being treated like he cheated the sport.

[slickpitt]

Complete and total BS. I hope he sues the PGA Tour for a shitload of money and wins.

I have to second what Manvas said... never thought of it that way but Women take hormones all the time. Hell, birth control pills are hormones.

[Manavs]

Hell, birth control pills are hormones.

Correctamundo

[Resonance]

I know this might be a bit old now but it seems that PGA tour has recently broken its silence on this case. I really dont understand why they are punishing this guy for using treatment which he needs. Its like saying someone with a broekn leg isnt allowed to use his crutches to walk. What shocks me the most is that the tour never gave him TUEs which are exemptions to using those drugs when he has doctor recommendations for them and hes been taking them for the WHOLE time why punish him for it now when hes 40?

As seen from the video and his results I think I can safely conclude one or more of the following things about these "Performance enhancing drugs"

1) He has a medical condition that requires them
2) Assuming he was faking all the medical documents and hes trying to cheat, these PEDs are a scam and do not work
3) He isnt cheating and these so called PEDs are still not performance enchancing.

My final concern is why take away a 40 year olds job when hes not a threat to winning any major events, not known to more than 50% of the public, and has the legitable documents to use these drugs. Theres a part in the article which I am too lazy to quote that his earnings over that last 3 years would not be able to cover the $500,000 fine.

[Manavs]

I know this might be a bit old now but it seems that PGA tour has recently broken its silence on this case. I really dont understand why they are punishing this guy for using treatment which he needs. Its like saying someone with a broekn leg isnt allowed to use his crutches to walk. What shocks me the most is that the tour never gave him TUEs which are exemptions to using those drugs when he has doctor recommendations for them and hes been taking them for the WHOLE time why punish him for it now when hes 40?

As seen from the video and his results I think I can safely conclude one or more of the following things about these "Performance enhancing drugs"

1) He has a medical condition that requires them
2) Assuming he was faking all the medical documents and hes trying to cheat, these PEDs are a scam and do not work
3) He isnt cheating and these so called PEDs are still not performance enchancing.

My final concern is why take away a 40 year olds job when hes not a threat to winning any major events, not known to more than 50% of the public, and has the legitable documents to use these drugs. Theres a part in the article which I am too lazy to quote that his earnings over that last 3 years would not be able to cover the $500,000 fine.

I'm really glad this has struck a nerve with good people like yourself that are having a difficult time making sense of all this. because it doesnt make sense!

testosterone works - otherwise drug companies wouldnt make it, and there wouldnt be as large a black market as there currently is for it. the point with Therapeutic use is that he is only trying to get to "normal levels" somewhere between 400-700ng/dl (some say up to 1200ng/dl)

its only when you start going over the range where you can start to see performance enhancing benefits. for example you can test any professional ifbb bodybuilder near competition and they have levels in excess of 10,000ng/dl. i personally knew one person at a local/amateur level that had test levels of 12,000 and was taking a ton of exogenous testosterone (no kidding huh)...taking 3-4grams of test a week are the high end amounts within the industry whereas 800-1000mg a week are pretty - lets call standard dosages.

and this guy is getting a 250mg shot of testosterone from a doctor once every few months? cmon! let the man get to the normal range!!!!

heres a great article why i am so adamantly against the de-masculinization of America - if your over 40 and are showing signs of this - go get your Test levels checked!!!! it can save your life!:deadhorse:

Men & Testosterone

[295yards]

Performance Enhancing Drugs (PED's) have been helping this man.

YouTube - PGA Clip

PGA Tour suspends Doug Barron one year for positive drug test - ESPN

don't you all feel safer with doug barron off the tour?

crazy - its obvious he has cortisol/estrogen/low testosterone issues. and now he has to continue to look like this and suffer hormonally without a place to play.
:faintthud

Doug gimme a call lets help you out!

This is a great topic for several reasons. Mostly because there is no clear cut answer, just opinions.

My personal opinion would be there should be zero drug performance enhancing drugs allowed in any sport.

Sure, someone could argue one "needs" these drugs just to perform at average levels, but I totally disagree.

These athletes are very select, and the fact that they do or do not have certain levels is a very individual thing.

If Doug Barron trained and dieted his whole life would he be in such "need" of these drugs?

Maybe it is fair to assume that Doug Barron does not train religiously or follow a strict regime of protein, carbs and limited fats.

Perhaps he goes home, puts his feet up and sucks back a pint while scarfing down some nachos and we are supposed to allow artificial topping up of testosterone so he can live the luxurious life of a high profile athlete.

I think the skills and talents needed to perform with a very elite group is a diverse thing and allowing small compensations in certain areas is not fair.

Think about it. In EVERY athlete exists deep rooted neuro pathways and DNA that make them very unique. If a select group do not have the testosterone per say, TOUGH.

[Manavs]

This is a great topic for several reasons. Mostly because there is no clear cut answer, just opinions.

My personal opinion would be there should be zero drug performance enhancing drugs allowed in any sport.

Sure, someone could argue one "needs" these drugs just to perform at average levels, but I totally disagree.

These athletes are very select, and the fact that they do or do not have certain levels is a very individual thing.

If Doug Barron trained and dieted his whole life would he be in such "need" of these drugs?

Maybe it is fair to assume that Doug Barron does not train religiously or follow a strict regime of protein, carbs and limited fats.

Perhaps he goes home, puts his feet up and sucks back a pint while scarfing down some nachos and we are supposed to allow artificial topping up of testosterone so he can live the luxurious life of a high profile athlete.

I think the skills and talents needed to perform with a very elite group is a diverse thing and allowing small compensations in certain areas is not fair.

Think about it. In EVERY athlete exists deep rooted neuro pathways and DNA that make them very unique. If a select group do not have the testosterone per say, TOUGH.

295yards - you bring up a good viewpoint, and i agree for a zero drug performance enhancing in select sports like golf - (personally i like watching enhanced atheletes in bodybuilding and horseracing).

These athletes are very select, and the fact that they do or do not have certain levels is a very individual thing.

If Doug Barron trained and dieted his whole life would he be in such "need" of these drugs?

This is not necessarily true - Testosterone drops in your 30's, peoples thyroid levels can change. even those of us who train consistently, eat correctly, you can create a non optimal situation with your hormones. remember weight training is very catabolic.

Perhaps he goes home, puts his feet up and sucks back a pint while scarfing down some nachos and we are supposed to allow artificial topping up of testosterone so he can live the luxurious life of a high profile athlete.

I think the skills and talents needed to perform with a very elite group is a diverse thing and allowing small compensations in certain areas is not fair.

Think about it. In EVERY athlete exists deep rooted neuro pathways and DNA that make them very unique. If a select group do not have the testosterone per say, TOUGH.

I know alot of amateur bodybuilders who take steroids that are not living the high profile lifestyle. taking drugs doesnt a pro athlete make.

we agree that in every athlete there is more in the skill of shooting low scores within the deep neuro pathways, than there is in a shot of testosterone. so why should it matter if a person takes a therapeutic dose - quality of life i say. increased estrogen levels are a major contributor to high cholesterol that leads to heart attacks. should we not allow for a person to take testosterone for a healthy heart?

to digress - i'd rather ban alcohol, pot, sugary foods, and cigarettes from the tour if we were so concerned with their healths but thats me.

We allow everyone to optimize their golf clubs and balls, why cant we optimize the machine that uses those tools?

Just because SOME people have no idea how to alter body chemistry - there are people who do, safely and naturally without negative side effects.

food for thought =)

Mikey

[295yards]

>>We allow everyone to optimize their golf clubs and balls, why cant we optimize the machine that uses those tools?<<

We can certainly optimize the machine that uses the tools, just the same as equipment which must pass USGA legislations.

We're talking about a game where if you just tee off and realise you have 15 clubs in the bag, you are penalized even though you never hit more than one club.

You start allowing drugs into any sport where doctors notes are all that is needed and all of a sudden EVERYONE has testosterone defiencies or a career ending injury that just won't go away.