Vaughn Taylor cheats!

[SiberianDVM]

OK. I have never met Vaughn Taylor, but his picture is on the wall of my club since he learned to play there and still visits sometimes.

I think the title of this thread needs to be changed, as it is damn close to being libelous.

Golf has a lot of little nit-picky, stupid-as-shit rules that also need to be changed, including hitting the fecking pin with a putt, touching the fecking hazard on your backswing, using a towel to keep your fecking trousers from getting dirty, & breaking a fecking limb on a bush.

Let's don't even mention the exceptions to the rules, like "lift clean & place" except to say it's not real golf.

Do you really think the outcome of the game in question was changed in any appreciable way by the possibility that Taylor's ball moved 5 millimeters?

In my mind, if the player didn't notice, and you have no positive proof that he did, and the officials didn't notice, then it should be a moot point.

[Lucas]

Your right, maybe the thread title is a little outrageous, perhaps just to get noticed. But it's just my opinion, based on my observations.

Let's say his ball did move, no one but him could ever say whether he did or did not see it move. But, my first reaction when watching the event unfold (DVR- watched it a few times after I first noticed the movement live) was that he surely saw it and this is why I immedietely stated that his next shot would be a poor one. At the time, I thought it was strange he didn't mention it to his caddie, but knew he could at any time before signing his card assess the penalty. But, it's really tough to hit a good shot after that sort of unfair penalty thing (see story about Woosnam) and when he hit it even worse than I thought he would it sort of confirmed to me that he did see it. I still figured he would probably penalize himself later.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Could you post the video your talking about??

[flomarilius]

I read the Ian Woosnam convo and I totally understand what you are saying. Ok look its really simple and i dont have a bone to pick with lucas so im sorry if it came off this way. The ball moving half an inch might not have been visible to Vaughn. Now if the camera was directly on the ball the entire time and the PGA did not catch this im not sure if they can DQ him after the tournament is over.

We all got pissed when the reporter ousted Michelle Wie because if a rules offical didnt take his time to watch over the drop its not fair for a golfer to be ousted by someone other people in the PGA or working the tournament. I dont support cheating at any costs but I know for sure that this probably has happened to me on occasions where I havent noticed and im not going to take a ruler out and check if the ball moved a 1mm im sorry if that is so wrong.

In my opinion, which no one may care or really agree with is, if the ball accidently moves and there is no change in the lie to a point where a golfer has a better attacking angle or in a position to put any more spin on the ball I dont see need for a penalty. I play my weekend rounds in preperations for tournaments and matches, Im not gonna follow every rule in golf because I truly dont know them all. When its tournament or match time I always carry a rule book and if I break a rule I take the consequences.

If this offends anyone my apologies but this is how I feel and I shouldnt be burned on the stake for expressing an opinion. Unfortunetly, this isnt a perfect world, and people will give me flames for saying this.

Again Lucas my apologies I just really hate seeing people come on forums and claiming PGA TOUR players cheaters. Ive seen it too many times and Im at a point of "crying Wolf". So again im sorry.

[token_hottie]

Originally Posted by flomarilius

If this offends anyone my apologies but this is how I feel and I shouldnt be burned on the stake for expressing an opinion.

Are you from GR or something? You seem a little gun-shy

We're all friends here.

th

[Slingblade61]

I think Lucas and Augster are closely related.

[Rockford35]

Originally Posted by SiberianDVM

In my mind, if the player didn't notice, and you have no positive proof that he did, and the officials didn't notice, then it should be a moot point.

If the officials didn't notice, his partner or caddy didn't notice or he didn't turn himself in at the time, then it's done. End of story, no BS about three days later some dude in Salt Lake turns him in and he's out.

The crime happens at the time of the shot. Not 2 weeks later.

I remember a story about Arnold cheating quite a few years back that keeps being brought up by "a secret" golfer that maintains to this day that the King knew he was wrong....

Morally wrong? Maybe. But if you play the game you love, you respect the rules. If you can live with cheating, then you're a better man than I am.

R35

[flomarilius]

yea im from GR if you mean Golf Rewind?

Gun-shy? Not too sure what that means.

[WMitch6]

If the PGA didnt catch it too bad,

I don't know what kind of player you are, but apparently you don't have a clue about the game of Golf.

[smitty]

Originally Posted by SiberianDVM

Golf has a lot of little nit-picky, stupid-as-shit rules that also need to be changed, including hitting the fecking pin with a putt, touching the fecking hazard on your backswing, using a towel to keep your fecking trousers from getting dirty, & breaking a fecking limb on a bush.

\My favorite is this one: You and your playing partner both tee off on a hole that has a hill in the middle of the fairway. You both drive dead center down the middle and just over the hill. When you get to the balls they are lying next to each other an inch apart, and you discover that you are both playing the same brand and number of ball, without any markings. Since you can't distinguish the balls from one another, you both have a lost ball and must re-tee.

[SiberianDVM]

You both drive dead center down the middle

This would never happen.

[emc]

We're not all Iron Byron you know!

[FKA19]

Originally Posted by flomarilius

yea im from GR if you mean Golf Rewind?

Gun-shy? Not too sure what that means.

no she meant golf review. the flam waring, trolling, and bashing forum that i call home come down and have some fun. forums.golfreview.com

[Golfbum]

Originally Posted by Lucas

Flomarilius, here is a story that Ian Woosnam talks about in September's issue of Golf Digest that kinda relates.

Mr. Woosnam had just finished the first hole, a par three, with a birdie and was very much in contention to win the tournament. On the second tee his caddie, Miles Byrne, told Ian they had an extra driver in the bag. Fuming, Ian immedietely found an official and confirmed a two shot penalty and then went on to card two more "shook up" bogies on the next two holes. He eventually finished second to David Duval by four strokes. The incident very well may have cost him the Open Championship! Even though he never used the club, had no intention of using the club, and no one noticed the extra club except his caddie, he understood that the rules are the rules and such a situation required the penalty. In the article he stated that it would have been very easy for his caddie to go to a porta potty, or wherever, and dispose of the club with no one knowing.

But this is not how we play our game.

I think it might have been tough for the caddy to walk to a Porti Potti with a driver in hand and come back without it Don't you think someone would have noticed that move?

As for Taylor, you do not know if he saw that ball move. You know I get sick and tired of ARM CHAIR REFS trying to pick up every little details of TV Golf. If you felt he had violated a rule at that time then you could have made a phone call to the PGA or the broadcaster. Then it would have been reviewed and if the PGA deemed there was a violation of the rules then they would have done so. BEFORE MY TAYLOR SIGNED HIS CARD.
You bring this up after the fact. Sorry buddy I find that to be weak and BS. If you want to be the GOLF GOD do it at the correct time, not afterwards, and not on a forum such as this.

[Lucas]

I really have nothing more to say about this subject. Unfortunately even though Mr. Taylor didn't make the cut at the PGA it seems his seat on the Ryder Cup team is a lock.

Maybe he didn't see his ball move and in that case, I apologize to him for my remarks. And if he did, shame on him.

On this topic in general, I would just like to say that I'm tired of the seemingly growing ideology in our country of 'get away with what you can and don't think twice about it unless you get caught'.