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eclark53520

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Never said they couldn't quit. But why not offer a specialized degree for pro athletes just like every other profession? And then, why not somehow encourage the teams to pay more for a degreed (sp?) player vs. a non-degreed player?

I have no problem with universities offering such a program, and I agree this would be a good idea for the athletes. I'm not against your idea, I'm just against the outside force factor. We shouldn't force them to do as we feel is best for them. I don't like it when I'm forced by someone else to do something just because they feel it would be for the best.

Supply and demand, the only time it really fails is when there's outside force.
 

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I have no problem with universities offering such a program, and I agree this would be a good idea for the athletes. I'm not against your idea, I'm just against the outside force factor. We shouldn't force them to do as we feel is best for them. I don't like it when I'm forced by someone else to do something just because they feel it would be for the best.

Supply and demand, the only time it really fails is when there's outside force.
Seems like if someone else is footing the bill, they should be able to "force" the kid to do some things.
 

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Seems like if someone else is footing the bill, they should be able to "force" the kid to do some things.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Who is footing what bill and what would they force the student to do?

Are you talking about the university giving them a free ride what should they be able to force them to do?
 

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I'm not sure what you're saying here. Who is footing what bill and what would they force the student to do?

Are you talking about the university giving them a free ride what should they be able to force them to do?
I don't think it would be forced unless you consider getting a degree forced. Its really the same thing.
 

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I think, if the school is giving them a free ride paying them, they could be required to sign some form of agreement that if they don't complete the 3 year degree they are required to pay back every dime the school paid out. Would that be fair?
 

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I think, if the school is giving them a free ride paying them, they could be required to sign some form of agreement that if they don't complete the 3 year degree they are required to pay back every dime the school paid out. Would that be fair?

Fair is whatever was signed in the contract. So if they included that in the contract, yes, that would be fair. If the university offers a full ride with no other stipulations, then that is fair as well.
 

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I'm not sure what you're saying here. Who is footing what bill and what would they force the student to do?

Are you talking about the university giving them a free ride what should they be able to force them to do?

I'm saying exactly this:
I think, if the school is giving them a free ride paying them, they could be required to sign some form of agreement that if they don't complete the 3 year degree they are required to pay back every dime the school paid out. Would that be fair?
 

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Part of my thought process on this subject is if you are going to pay football and basketball player be prepared to pay the swimmers and lacrosse players as well. 95% of the schools won't be able to do it. If you only pay basketball and football players (revenue generating sports) then only about 10-15% of schools will be able to do it and the gap between the haves (Alabama, Michigan, etc.) and have nots (Oregon St, NC St, etc.) will just get bigger. The schools and NCAA have placed a price for college athletes. That price is an education, room, and board, and a small stipend. If that's not enough then don't play.
 

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Greg,

This degree, and the additional pay, would only be for those athletes who choose the "pro sports" major. On any given college campus, how many student athletes actually go into pro sports? I'm betting considerably less than 50%.
 

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Greg,

This degree, and the additional pay, would only be for those athletes who choose the "pro sports" major. On any given college campus, how many student athletes actually go into pro sports? I'm betting considerably less than 50%.

That's the problem...the percentage of college students that actually go into professional sports is less than 1%. The percentage of college athletes that go pro is less than 10% I believe.

Why devote time to generate a degree for less than a percent of your student base? Why would a student major in pro sports not knowing if they're ever going to go pro?
 

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That's the problem...the percentage of college students that actually go into professional sports is less than 1%. The percentage of college athletes that go pro is less than 10% I believe.
Why are you differentiating between college students and college athletes? Aren't all college athletes also college students?
 

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Greg,

This degree, and the additional pay, would only be for those athletes who choose the "pro sports" major. On any given college campus, how many student athletes actually go into pro sports? I'm betting considerably less than 50%.

So, you are going to look at incoming freshman and decide who is going into the pros and start paying him up front? Unpossible. If you want to pay all athletes that play revenue producing sports (which is football and basketball only) you have to keep in mind that there are only a handful of schools who have an athletic department that operate in the black. last time I looked it was less than 12.
 

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Why are you differentiating between college students and college athletes? Aren't all college athletes also college students?

Yes...but they are a very small part of the college's population, which is why there isn't a 'pro sports' degree already. It's not profitable.
 

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Also part of the rookie program in basketball (NBA) and football (NFL) are classes in money management and dealing with the public, fans, and entourage that the players are obligated to attend.
 

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