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Drug testing begins...

Discussion in 'General Golf Talk' started by Eracer, Nov 14, 2007.

  1. Eracer

    Eracer No more triple bogies!!

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    By Associated Press - November 13, 2007

    PONTE VEDRA BEACH, Fla. -- The PGA TOUR plans to start its new drug-testing program as early as July, with penalties for a positive test that could range from a one-year suspension for a first offense to a lifetime ban if a player is caught three times.

    Leaders from golf's most influential organizations signed off last month on an anti-doping policy. The tour's plan was approved by its policy board.

    PGA TOUR commissioner Tim Finchem said players will receive a manual next month as part of an education program that will extend through June, with testing to follow.

    The manual will contain a list of prohibited substances that fall under 10 categories, ranging from anabolic steroids to human growth hormones to narcotics to beta blockers.

    Finchem said the TOUR can test players without notice anytime and anywhere, and testing at a PGA TOUR event can occur before or after practice or competition. There was no limit to how many times a year a player can be tested. It was not clear if there would be any mandatory testing or players, such as the winner of a tournament.

    Penalties could include ineligibility for up to one year for the first violation; up to five years for the second violation; up to a lifetime ban for multiple violations; and fines up to $500,000.

    Finchem said violations for recreational drugs, such as marijuana or cocaine, could be treated differently from steroids. The program allows the commissioner discretion to require treatment instead of sanctions, or a combination of the two.

    He also said the TOUR would disclose violations and will report the penalty. That's typical of other sports, noteworthy in golf because the TOUR has never disclosed fines for such things as conduct unbecoming a professional.

    An education program for the Nationwide Tour will begin in the middle of next year, with testing to start toward the end of the 2008 season. On the Champions Tour for players 50 and older, the education program will start in January 2009, with testing expected to start in the middle of that year.
     
  2. fuzzyjr

    fuzzyjr Well-Known Member

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    shame shame

    its a shame that golf has come to this. With todays std's i guess i am glad to see the testing, but i am willing to say that there is less than minimal users out on the tour. Sure some guys are on medicines and proteins that will be banned but for the most part i like to think that we have a clean game and sport. Earlier in the year made me think of Gary Player as a jackass, even though he isnt, he said some absurd crap and then didn't do or say anything else to back his theory or any other claims about it. I like Gary Player i just think he was out of line, hell maybe hes right but i hope not.
     
  3. SiberianDVM

    SiberianDVM I love Hooters Moderator

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    I wonder: will Cialis still be a major sponsor?
     
  4. DaveE

    DaveE The golfer fka ST Champ

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    I don't understand beta blockers. Are the guys with high blood pressure going to have to switch meds if they use those?
     
  5. MCDavis

    MCDavis The Plaid Duffer Staff Member Moderator

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    I don't understand what beta blockers are or do...someone enlighten me.
     
  6. Adam Pettman

    Adam Pettman Well-Known Member

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    Beta blockers, will be allowed aslong as you have been prescribed them for a medical condition is what I read somewhere. Dont some people use them to calm them down which would presumably be good for your putting.
     
  7. Eracer

    Eracer No more triple bogies!!

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    They were one of the choices for the treatment of high blood pressure, but have since been superseded by more modern drugs. They still have a role in the treatment of cardiac arrythmias following a heart attack.

    They have a well-known side effect:

    "Beta blockers protect against social anxiety: Improvement of physical symptoms has been demonstrated with beta-blockers such as propranolol; however, these effects are limited to the social anxiety experienced in performance situations."


    I have a physician friend who said his med school class popped Propanalol (a popular beta-blocker) like candy during oral exams.

    I'm not suggesting that anyone do that, since there are drug interactions that you need to worry about.
     
  8. ThatCanadianGuy

    ThatCanadianGuy eh?

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    When they hit, they hit hard.
     
  9. Eracer

    Eracer No more triple bogies!!

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    No messing around, that's for sure.
     
  10. DouginGA

    DouginGA dont tread on me

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    I can never understand the irony of the fact that "drugs will mess up your life" yet professional sports feels the need to test to ensure that no player has an "advantage" ?? I feel 99% of professional golfers know that any chemical ehancement advantage would be offset by the side effects. Example: steriods might improve muscle but "roid rage" would make steady nerves and "keeping it together" impossible.
    One acknowledged drug abuser was John Daly, with alcohol (a drug, just legal) and you can see what it did for his game.

    I find this whole thing rather offensive to the players, and I doubt even one player will ever be found to test positive for anything other than maybe pot, which I doubt any of the top players allow themselves even that indulgence due to the demands of their profession.
     
  11. DouginGA

    DouginGA dont tread on me

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    I would also like to add that the fact that golf is doing this is just another example of what is wrong with the world today - everybody is a suspect.
     
  12. JasonM

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    This is just rediculous!
     
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    Jules150 Well-Known Member

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    I dont get why people think this is so absurd. When theres millions of dollars at stake people are going to use every advantage they can get. Im sure they're going to get more than one person.
     
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    I hate that it's come to testing, but I'm not surprised or offended.
     
  15. JasonM

    JasonM Well-Known Member

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    I gaurantee this will only last the '08 season, then when every single piss test comes back negative it will be realized that it's a huge waste of money and time.
     
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    I just don't understand the level of naivety. You naysayers really think that there isn't a strong motivation to cheat? Not when there isn't millions of dollars on the line? I agree that it isn't any of the top players, but if you are struggling to make number 125 on the money list and keep your card isn't that a big incentive? Or trying to get through Q school?

    If the TOUR doesn't test, it is implicitly saying that it is okay to cheat.

    I am also tired of hearing how "roid rage" will destroy your golf game. If you look at some of my previous posts, I have talked about how there are a wide range of performance enhancing drugs that would benefit golfers tremendously.

    Look. If human beings were all rational and fair with each other, you are correct, testing wouldn't be needed. But, I'm sorry if this is news to you, humans beings are irrational and devious. If there is an advantage to be had, the temptation will get the better of some people. Golfers aren't immune from being human. Just because golf is their sport of choice, doesn't make them a better person than if they were able to play baseball or football or cycling or track and field or lollipop licking. If there is money to be made by getting better at your sport of choice, and you weren't going to get caught -- people are going to cheat. People have tried to cheat at golf all the time, some successfully, some unsuccessfully.

    At least with testing, the TOUR is telling them explicitly that it is not okay to use performance-enhancing drugs, and the cheaters will have to use more sophisticated techniques. The doping won't stop, but at least the cheaters will have to work harder at it, and maybe a few will reconsider what they are doing. It is always a race between the dopers and the detectors, there will always be some new performance enhancer that will be undetectable for a few years, but you have to at least try to put an end to it to be fair to the entire field.

    Sure, it has been said, "Just test Tiger, and if he's clean, does it really matter?" To the rest of the world, probably not. But, I guarantee it matters to that young guy going through Q school or struggling to keep his tour card. If you were one place out of being a top finisher Q school, but you knew that the guy who got that place ahead of you used performance enhancers illegally, wouldn't you be awfully streamed about it?

    How can you naysayers just ignore all these issues as "a huge waste of money and time"?
     
  17. TEA Time

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    Necro'ing this thread for a reason.

    The PGA Tour has suspended Matt Every for testing positive for pot. He has a prescription for it for a mental condition (likely anxiety/depression) and doesn't want to take addictive synthesized drugs. I applaud him for that. He is eligible to return in January.

    I think this is a stupid fukin ruling. He has a prescription and it's not a performance-enhancing drug, and it's the safest way for him to maintain his mental health.

    Another PGA Tour fail, in my opinion.
     
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    eclark53520 DB Member Extraordinaire Supporting Member

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    If THC is included specifically in the rule, then he should be suspended. He knows the rules(or should) and breaking the rules should reap the rewards.

    I don't necessarily agree with this specific rule, per say, but if it's the rule, then it needs to be enforced. I don't think prescriptions should have any bearing on whether an organization bans or doesn't ban a substance.

    Lets say some state decides that a specific PED is OK and legalizes it. I wouldn't be OK with residents of that state being able to use that PED against PGA rules because they have a prescription for it.

    I would be fine if they removed pot from the list of 'performance enhancing drugs' or however the PGA lists these things.
     
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    This.
     
  20. limpalong

    limpalong Mental Ward Escapee Supporting Member

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    I know my old mind is feeble, but could swear remembering Every suffers from epilepsy. If so, and the prescribed substance is medically controlling the issue, it is stupid for him to be suspended. NO! It's stupid for the Tour to include something that can be such a godsend on their prohibited substance list.

    Former boss of mine had a mini stroke. They drilled a hole in his skull to do some work inside. Told him he would be on pain killers for months if not years. He said he would rather die than become addicted to opioids. Travels to a neighboring state every so often and picks up some pot. Smokes one joint/day and has zero pain or disability. Have another acquaintance in a very similar situation. I think she grows her own.

    The ONLY reason marijuana is considered illegal in so many areas is the impact of pharmaceutical lobbyists. The billionaire CEO's would much rather see someone downing pills for the rest of their life than have relief from something they could grow in their own backyard.

    Rant off....
     

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