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Frequency Matching

Discussion in 'Golf Equipment Talk' started by Qballgreg, Jun 13, 2017.

  1. Qballgreg

    Qballgreg New Member

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    Call me an old timer, but I was at a golf event this evening and bumped into a Taylormade rep who told me that Frequency Matching isn't done anymore. That was news to me, as I have been doing it for 10 years. Is this manufacture BS, or has the ground changed beneath my feet while I wasn't looking?
     
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    PaPaD Club ho, geezer........ Supporting Member

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    I don't know but I'd guess that shaft manufacturing might have improved to tighter specs and/or the industry discovered that variance doesn't really make enough difference to justify the expense of the process?
     
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    Qballgreg New Member

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    Good point, and I would buy into your explanation if there were industry standards, which there are none. The best scenario would be that manufacturers do not need t meet any type of standard at all....
     
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    azgreg "Don't count that." Supporting Member

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    There are an awful lot of builders who believe in it so.................
     
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    PaPaD Club ho, geezer........ Supporting Member

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    Maybe the 2nd half of my guess makes the most sense?
     
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    TheTrueReview "Playing it straight" Supporting Member

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    My eyes glazed over at "Taylormade rep." He should stick to parroting claims of "15 yards longer" with every new driver and ball release.

    I know 7/8 of nothing but I did find this article from 2016. Why Is "Frequency Matching" Of Golf Clubs So Important? - KZG
     
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    PaPaD Club ho, geezer........ Supporting Member

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    I am pretty sure that none of my bad shots are because my shafts were not frequency matched.............
     
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    eclark53520 DB Member Extraordinaire Supporting Member

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    Frequency matching shafts? Hmmm...seems like marketing wank to me.
     
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    limpalong Mental Ward Escapee Supporting Member

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    The early Brunswick shafts promoted the frequency matched theory. True Temper had a tight hold on the steel shaft market. True Temper pushed "weight matching"... hence S100, S200, S300, S400, etc. Brunswick felt frequency matching was as important as weight matching, if not more so. And, it gave them a marketing "gimmick" to compete with True Temper. Brunswick carried the frequency matching into their extremely successful "Rifle" line of shafts.

    As graphite shafts began to make headway in the driver spectrum, we saw significant differences in frequency of the shaft bending even though shafts might have the same torque rating. You could have an "S" flex Grafalloy in one club, order one for another, and it react quite a bit differently. Same manufacturer. Same flex rating. Same torque rating. Most all professional clubmakers then began to frequency test shafts. By frequency testing, they were more able to match specific requirements of individual players.

    Over the past few years, we have seen shaft manufacturing technology perfected by leaps and bounds. The professionals who can usually detect as little as a single gram of weight difference in swingweight, static weight, or shaft weight still may demand frequency testing. 99% of we who play this game for entertainment, frustration, or because we're not smart enough to play checkers could not tell the difference between a fairly wide range of frequency numbers. Yet, frequency matching does give something else for those who feel their game is helped by having shafts frequency matched that option. I would never tell someone to not match shafts if that is their preference. I have used lead tape on many clubs over the years, not enough to make one iota of difference in my game, just enough to have the subconscious believe it does.
     
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    Have a Clubmaker put your clubs on a frequency machine while you are watching, and you will feel quite differently....
     
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    ejdahl21 Never Lay Up Supporting Member

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    My shaft likes to be frequency matched to that of a low hum. Mmmmmmmm
    (Hard to talk with your mouth full, huh lady?)
     
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    How does a frequency machine mimic my swing? We're not talking about swing weight nor flex are we? Like, we're legitimately finding the resonant frequency of the shaft and somehow adjusting that? I fail to see how knowing or matching the resonant frequency of the shafts makes any difference...but I've been wrong before.

    I'm not saying it doesn't help...I'm saying 99% of people probably not nearly good enough to see any difference.
     
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    Should you have a favorite iron, as an example....a frequency machine can determine the actual stiffness of that club in cycles per minute (cpm). Your other irons can be adjusted (in most cases) to be the exact cpm as your favorite iron (on a curve since they are different lengths), thus a 'frequency matched set'....so every iron is the exact stiffness. Just because the label on the club says 'r' for regular doesn't mean it's actually regular, nor does it matter, as the important thing to identify, is what frequency (stiffness) is right for you....then replicate thru the set.
     
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    My favorite iron is the one I put a good swing on. I have hit great shots, and terrible shots with all of the clubs in my bag.

    Again, I'm simply not good enough to know the difference.
     
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    For me, it's the same with golf balls. Golf forums seem to attract weekend hackers who claim they only play [insert premium brand ball] because of its [insert bullsh!t claims]. I guarantee that when I put a good swing on a two or three piece ball, the outcome will be good enough and probably indistinguishable than if I had hit a ProV.
     
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    I could probably play with a semi-round rock I found in the parking lot at the course I'm going to play an shoot within 10% of my normal score.
     
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    Same concept applies with MOI (Moment of Inertia) matching a set of irons. Every iron has the exact same MOI, blah, blah. The math makes sense, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't notice.
     
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    I have found that frequency/MOI matching a set reduces handicap by about 15%...some would prefer clubs that are all the same...some not...to each his own. I draw a comparison to a new suit...most guys do not purchase a suit off the rack without regard to size or fit....a tailor makes sure the sleeves are the correct length, the length is proper, and there is no bunching behind the neck, although both a fitted suit and one off the rack cover your body....and nowadays, a set of clubs cost more than a suit. Granted, a higher handicap golfer is less repetitive with a good swing, but clubs should work for you without you adjusting a swing to suit a club.
     
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    Totally agree. Most of us could play as well with Top Rocks as we could with ProV's. I shot one of my lowest rounds with a Nike MOJO. Right now, I'm using 15 year old ProV's found on a course I used to play. They are the old '384' version. The reason I like the ProV... or other relatively soft cover balls... is our small, postage stamp greens. I can chip to a green and have the ball stay. With the harder balls, they are more apt to roll off or roll way past the pin. If I would practice/play with nothing but the harder balls, could probably adapt the short game. I have cartons of NXT's, NXT Tours, MOJOs, and a couple dozen NXT Extremes in the basement. Make me no difference as long as I don't have to buy them.
    I feel it's the same way with lie angle, loft, frequency matching, shaft length, etc. Had a visit, yesterday, with a recently retired college prof. He is 60ish and has never played golf. Wants to take up the game. Asked me where he should go to get fit properly. I told him to go find a used set of clubs and spend the rest of the money on lessons. Once he practices/plays enough to actually find the back of the ball with the face of the club, then he can begin thinking about having clubs fitted for him. Today, he or a fitter have zero idea what shape of a dynamic swing he may develop. When we used to dirt track race, we'd set the timing and tune the carb and make sure we had the correct rear end for the track length. We knew that car was tuned exactly for that track. And, it was until we would hit someone or roll the durned thing. If we would have had a professional driver who could have kept the thing between the rails, the tuning may have worked. I have zero problem with those who are OCD about their clubs. This game is 90% mental. Then other 10% is all in your head. If "tuning" your clubs by frequency matching, daily checking the loft/lie angle, using a micrometer on the grip diameter, etc. make one believe they will play better... they WILL!! The state golf association says my handicap is now in mid-single digits at 70 years old. That is accomplished with off-the-shelf clubs. Could I play better with fitted clubs? At my age, I honestly doubt it. I would rather have clubs I am fairly confident in and know each of their individual personalities than worry that one shaft might not be within 5 cpm of another.
     
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    ^^^THIS^^^
     

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