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Discussion in 'No Golf For You!' started by eclark53520, Sep 16, 2008.

  1. eclark53520

    eclark53520 DB Member Extraordinaire Supporting Member

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    Hey guys...i need some help...

    A co-worker's husband is starting up a business(dont know what kind right now) but they want a simple website built with a couple different pages with information, pics, yatta yatta yatta...anyway, i have built websites before and all that is not the issue...i dont know what is an acceptable rate to charge them...she wants to know an hourly rate...

    The only thing i am out is time...i have all the hardware/software i need...

    Is there a usual going rate for this kind of stuff?

    Should i figure out a plan for the website with them and then tell them i want x amount of dollars for the site no matter how long it takes me?
     
  2. LyleG

    LyleG gear head

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    I wont get out of bed for less than $40 an hour, so I would start there.
     
  3. cwo2lt

    cwo2lt Mulligans-R-Us

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    I have an invoice on my desk from a computer repair contractor. They're charging $130/hr for onsite visit.
     
  4. ezra76

    ezra76 Well-Known Member

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    I'd do it for a favor if it were a coworker. Tell them to buy you dinner or something. Why bother by the hour? 2 page site would take like 20minutes. I built my old one 11 pages deep in a day and a half the 1st time I'd ever done it... and that had all sorts of forms to fill out for moving quotes and calculations for rates based on poundage and mileage.
     
  5. Pa Jayhawk

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    Going rate among businesses and going rate among friends are two different things. Last I worked with this 5 years ago, my going hourly rate and that of the industry at that time was $220 an hour. Although among friends I would usually just trade services in what comes around goes around. Just realize with a website it will likely be an ongoing venture. If that is something you want charge little then as you go along. If it is one and done, and you don't want to deal with it later then charge more.

    Figure most plumbers and electricians now adays make $80-100 an hour, assuming you have experience in the field then why should you make less. If you don't have experience then that may be a good going rate.

    Figure an O.K rate for a programmer is likely $80k a year, at 40 hours a week that is about $38.46 an hour. So $35-40 an hour would be a generous rate among friends and what I would pay. Any thing over that then I would view you as a professional and not a friend. Figure even on $80k a year, that is on salary and they likely work 50-60 hours a week.

    edit 1 - ... if you decide on a one time fee, you could likely double the amount and that would be acceptable for what you may likely end up putting in.
     
  6. JEFF4i

    JEFF4i She lives! Supporting Member

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    I could tell you, but then you'd have to pay me as your agent.
     
  7. ClairefromClare

    ClairefromClare Like my balls?

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    Pa's comment suggests a big, underlying issue. The whole thing about mixing business and friendship. It gets tough. On the one hand, if you want to be taken seriously and treated like a professional, you gotta charge and charge a fair amount. On the other, you don't want to ruin a friendship for a measly couple of hundred bucks.

    So you have to think hard about what will really be involved. If you think it will truly be a one off, do it for a good bottle of wine or dinner and rack up the brownie points.

    But it you think it's one of these situations where he'll just keep coming back for one more thing until he sucks you dry, then charge him. He won't respect the value of your time unless you do. My IT guy charges anywhere from $100-$150 per hour, both site visits and phone support.

    Only you can judge what this fellow is really going to ask of you.
     
  8. wirehair

    wirehair Life's too short to drink cheap wine.

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    Don't do it. The initial build is the easy part, the ongoing maintenance/upgrade/repair etc will become work. You can count on lots of hours that you'll feel bad about billing a friend for. (Unless he's one of those lifetime friends).

    Help him find someone else who is knowledgeable and help him spec it, then walk away.
     
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    Find out what the company is all about, maybe you'll be able to do a service exchange with the husband.

    If the co-worker is good looking, I'd say a night of porn quality sex with her is worth a few hours programming.
     
  10. eclark53520

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    lol, she is good looking, but no thanks...


    She is a co-worker but by no means a "good friend" we are aquaintances and we talk when we see each other in the break room...which is almost never as she works on the bottom floor and i am on the top...if she were a really good friend, i would either do it for free, or refer her to someone else as i dont do business with friends or family...ever. I know too many people that dont talk to their dad/brother/aunt/neighbor/etc because of a bad business deal...

    She asked another one of the IT guys but he doesnt know how to build web pages so since i do the "upkeep" on the intranet stuff he refered her over to me.

    I feel that i should charge and i was thinking somewhere around $30/hour but i wanted to ask around first to see if that is way to high or low...here is why i want to charge. I know building web-pages becomes an on-going thing...i wouldnt mind doing the initial build for free but then i would feel obligated to do the upkeep for free as well and i dont want to do that. I also dont want to start charging in the middle either as i find that to be rude.

    I want this to be business, and if its an ongoing business thats fine, if not, i am really not out anything major, not even a friendship.



    Thanks for all the help guys. I do appreciate it.
     
  11. Pa Jayhawk

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    $30 an hour sounds like a reasonable price point from what you have mentioned. Per my initial post, even $35-40 would not be to unreasonable. Also the reason I mentioned if you do a fixed rate, you may double it for the eventual work entailed. This seems like an hourly rate is probably the best way to go.
     
  12. eclark53520

    eclark53520 DB Member Extraordinaire Supporting Member

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    One thing i didnt think about....

    I have built sites through my schooling in several different languages from ASP to Ruby on rails...however, i have never had one hosted.

    Any good hosts anyone could recommend?

    Can i build the site myself and just upload it to the host? Or do i have to use their "site builder"?

    I cant believe i didnt even have this thought go through my head before this...
     
  13. ezra76

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    I used Yahoo to host mine. I used thier sitebuilder since it was very easy and everything I needed to do was available. Plus it was only $29.95/month. I designed everything with JASC paint shop pro and brought it in. Everything from background to buttons and even etire pages of text. They did have an option to bring in different formats though, like Dreamweaver or Frontpage.

    I think I'm going to throw up an ad on Craiglist offering to build basic sites after seeing how much people are getting for this stuff.
     
  14. eclark53520

    eclark53520 DB Member Extraordinaire Supporting Member

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    29.95??? Did you get your own domain?

    Thats rediculous...most hosting sites i have looked at are between 11 and 15/month for unlimited websites, scripts, bandwidth and upwards of 2k gig of storage...

    ETA: i just checked yahoo, and their prices have obvioulsy come down since you hosted yours.
     
  15. Clugnut

    Clugnut Gimme some roombas!

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    Working for friends is a touchy issue. You need to establish some ground rules first. I like to have a friend work for me first, and then I can treat them equally. For example, my best friend charges me full rate when he works for me, whether its during the day, or at night. So I reciprocate. Others charge half rate. That's what I like to do.
     
  16. ezra76

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    Crap, that was something else I was thinking of. I think that was my CC service. It was actually like $12.95 now that I think about it. I had like 10-11 pages and could have had like 50 email adresses. I had my own name, www.Nickelmove.com. I stopped paying for it so it's obviously down. I thought it pretty good though, especially how easy it was to use. I'm a total novice and in 2days I had a site up with an 800# and accepting CC's.
     
  17. ezra76

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    I'm sure you know a heck of a lot more than I do about this stuff. Just for example of "ease of use" though... this is the contact form I made on JASC and just brought right into the sitebuilder. It was pretty easy to just add the boxes and then it went right to my email. Also the buttons I made for page selection were on JASC and just brought them right in.
    quoteform (2).

    Longdistancebutton.
    quoteform (2). Longdistancebutton.
     
  18. riverc0il

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    I use Blue Host for hosting which is cheap and very very low downtime (it has never been down that I have noticed in almost two years). Good back end via cPanel too with stats and all that. Good service for the price.

    As far as billing, your level of expertise should come into play. I have no idea what your level of web site building knowledge is, but there are a lot of hacks charging a lot of money for poor design (when I say poor design, I mean like 1998 HTML design looks). Just be sure you charge rates based on your level of expertise. Any hack can quickly throw together a decent web site with a CMS and a style template. I gave up coding by hand recently in favor of using Word Press... cause I got more important things to do than sit around coding a web page. So if it can be done cheaply and effectively and a CMS requires little back end maintainence once it is setup right, then I think a one time flat fee with an hourly follow up might be the best pricing structure. I can't see charging professional rates if you are not a professional in the field.
     

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