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New TA3 845s (now the 718 AP3 thread)

Discussion in 'Golf Equipment Talk' started by TEA Time, Aug 5, 2020.

  1. TEA Time

    TEA Time Grumpy Gilmore Staff Member Admin

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    Taken from the classifieds:

    Holy crap I just noticed this and have to admit I am very intrigued.

    Loft comparison:
    old 3 = 21 degrees.
    old 4 = 24.5
    old 5 = 28 new 22
    old 6 = 32 new 25
    old 7 = 36 new 29
    old 8 = 40 new 33
    old 9 = 44 new 38
    old P = 48 new 43.5
    old A = 52 new 49

    A new 7 iron is the old 5 iron. People reviewing it are all like "I gained so much distance" no you didn't dipshit. Also the lies are a little more upright from the old ones. I'd basically have to relearn my yardages, but I guess I'd have to do that with any new set...

    $450 brand new....
     
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    BigJim13 Well-Known Member Staff Member Moderator

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    Basically a club and a half stronger. FWIW Tiger still plays a 49° PW...
     
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    azgreg "Don't count that." Supporting Member

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    eclark53520 DB Member Extraordinaire Supporting Member

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    ualtim Carrollton, TX Supporting Member

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    38 deg Pitching Wedge.o_O
    Two gap wedges. o_O

    That is just plain insane. If you start that list with a 3 iron as the 20 deg club, you have a normal set of irons from the 80’s. I blame this all on ego/shady marketing practices. Folks that walk into a big box retailer with a hitting bay and buy irons based on how far they hit the 7 iron. OEM’s figured it out and started jacking lofts to keep market share. Pretty soon the only clubs available will be a set of 8 wedges...
     
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    eclark53520 DB Member Extraordinaire Supporting Member

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    I hit my sand wedge 180 yards!!! I can't score for shit, but who cares!!!

    EDIT: Ignorant consumers **** everything up. Look at the tool and car industry. 'Give me cheap and full of electronics, I don't care how long it lasts at all. '
     
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    TEA Time Grumpy Gilmore Staff Member Admin

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    Yeah the numbers don't mean shit to me, a loft is a loft. I'm just curious if technology really has improved how the ball comes off the face, especially on a miss-hit. Seems like there has to have been some improvement from my 845s ca. 1994 to 845s ca. 2020... right?
     
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    eclark53520 DB Member Extraordinaire Supporting Member

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    Only one way to find out for sure. Hit them side by side.
     
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    MCDavis The Plaid Duffer Staff Member Moderator

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    Manufacturer's should either put just the lofts on the club, or the loft larger with the iron number below it, smaller.
     
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    TEA Time Grumpy Gilmore Staff Member Admin

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    The original 845s have it on the face. The new ones don't.

    [​IMG]
     
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    azgreg "Don't count that." Supporting Member

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    Ben Hogan Golf tried that and it lasted about 1 year.
     
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    azgreg "Don't count that." Supporting Member

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    I'd have to write the legitimate iron number on them with a sharpie.
     
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    TEA Time Grumpy Gilmore Staff Member Admin

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    If it were me I'd write it, but you do you. :D
     
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    I am not a big proponent of the USGA and R&A when it comes to adding new rules on clubs, but it may be time for them to start regulating what number you can stamp on a club. Set a range of lofts you can stamp PW on (say 49 through 46 degrees) and go on from there. In addition, the loft has to be marked on the club as well so the average consumer knows what they are looking at when comparing different clubs.

    With those Titleist lofts, their 5 iron is two degrees stronger lofted than my 4 hybrid equivalent. It is also only 5 degrees different than a standard 3 Wood loft leaving only 2.5 degree loft differences if you try to put a club in between them. Considering most folks have trouble hitting 21 degree 3 irons, how many golfers are going to be able to hit a 20 degree 5 iron? If I were forced to play that set, the highest iron I my bag would be the 7 iron and would be carrying 5 wedges. My bag would consist of Driver, 3W, 2 Hybrids, 3 irons, and 5 wedges; that’s just not right.
     
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    azgreg "Don't count that." Supporting Member

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    Fvcking auto correct.
     
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    Early 90's, Ping had just come out with their Eye 2+. Lofts were jacked a couple degrees over the Eye 2's. The + PW is 48.5. More companies got into the investment cast business and the pitching wedges hovered around 48 degrees. 845s, Titleist DCI, etc. In 1994, Cobra released the 'King Cobra' line. The PW was 45 degrees and they carried that 2 to 3 degree jacked loft through the set. Macho weekend golfers were suddenly hitting their new King Cobra irons a full club longer than their old set. The "art" of jacked lofts was born. Through the years, so many manufacturers have jacked lofts to compete. You seldom see a set of 3-PW anymore. Everything is 4-GW or 5-GW. Lofts are similar to the old 3-PW... or stronger.
    My iBlade PW is 46. That's stronger than either my Eye 2's or Eye 2+'s. But... it's not nearly as ridiculous as these new 38 degree PW lofts!!!
     
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    I’ve gone to a 5-GW set but my PW is 46° which by today’s standards is relatively weak. And yeah the loft on the club thing didn’t last long with Hogan, when people have to stop and think is my 38° club the 6? It always felt weird to me.
     
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    BigJim13 Well-Known Member Staff Member Moderator

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    I should also add that the Hogan’s are beautiful clubs, glad to see that name back. Not sure how long it will last, they don’t have much if any tour presence yet. They have some custom options but not nearly as many as other companies. Srixon for example, the irons I play, offers basically any shaft and grip at no upcharge. And they are beautiful clubs too.
     
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    MCDavis The Plaid Duffer Staff Member Moderator

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    Good point. Then they should put both, but I still say loft should either be larger, or on the toe like in the picture above. And yeah, there should be some standards. 38 is not a pitching wedge, for example, no matter what the manufacturer says.
     
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    Get off my lawn! ;)
     
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