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The Great Gun Debate

Discussion in 'No Golf For You!' started by eclark53520, Sep 25, 2009.

  1. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Taylormade Ho' Magnet

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    Also, Clark.. If I walked by and saw that happening, I would have called the police, and tried to stop the beating some how..Thats just some senseless crap there.

    The worst part, is had someone stepped in, tried to save the kid, stop the fight, and in turn ended being attacked. If they were a carrying member of society, in Chicago, it's not allowed. While they might have not killed anyone, but stopped the fight and shot one or two people attacking him, that person would be sued and put UNDER the jail for what they did.

    The laws have it stacked against those who attempt to help others sometimes, and thats pretty frustrating.
     
  2. eclark53520

    eclark53520 DB Member Extraordinaire Supporting Member

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    Fat, did you hear about the new trend...

    Criminals entering homes are now yelling "POLICE" in an attempt to throw off home-owners and get the upper hand in the situation...

    Thing is, i have no reason for the police to come to my house, so yelling police or not, i am shooting.
     
  3. FATC1TY

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    Yeah, I have heard that, and we've had a problem with it here in the past year.. They usually come in guns blazin' and shoot most that get in front of them. That split second for you to decide if it's police, get you killed.

    I'm shooting regardless. We can sort it out later.

    Last year, when I moved into my new condo, apparently someone a while back lived here, and was a scum bag scammer who wrote bad checks, and ran up a bad credit background. I was getting TONS of credit turn over papers, and crap for this guy.. Then I get a criminal notice to appear in court in Savannah..

    Then a few weeks later, after I leave for work, 4 plain clothes officers show up at the house, beating on the door. Scared the hell out of my girlfriend, who took the gun to the door. They wouldn't tell her who they were, so she didn't open. One of them finally showed his badge through the peephole. They realized it was an old address and left, but they wanted to look around the house, and she declined to let them.

    Point being.. They should have said who it was when they knock. There is no way for someone to flee anywhere other than my front door.. She wasn't about to open the door to 4 big black guys who kept a distance and paced around the front door, and did nothing but bang on it.
     
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    Not really surprised that was coming. DC got knocked down, why not go after all the other cities who violate it.

    I still think the cities have the right to have specific laws on handguns, but not an all out ban. Atlanta doesn't allow the discharge of a firearm in the city limits. If I legally shoot someone, I could still withstand the charge of "discharging a firearm in the city limits"... Who cares, really? I've yet to hear it charged against someone in self-defense.


    Chicago is a black hole, and I wouldn't go there for a darn thing. The ironic part, is all the gun companies in IL anyways.. Wierd.

    And the Brady Campaign makes me laugh so hard sometimes...
     
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    EnglishGolfer Talks a good game

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    I sincerely hope that those who previously disagreed with me are now wise enough to reconsider. This madness cannot be allowed to continue.
     
  7. eclark53520

    eclark53520 DB Member Extraordinaire Supporting Member

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    Still have yet to see a gun kill someone by itself.

    Would have been better had he just used a bomb?

    Schools are gun free zones. Obviously making guns more illegal would help right? Think logically not emotionally.
     
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    Guns are far easier to obtain than bombs. I like my firearms but there has to be something done. I don't have the answers but this is getting ridiculous. Our culture is so violent. Just last night I was at Zaxby's and show one of those Toy dispensers that dispensed toy guns and grenades.
     
  9. eclark53520

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    You can make bombs so easily out of materials easily obtained by anyone. directions are on the internet.

    Kids used to play cowboys and indians, play with toy guns, all of that. We never had these problems back then. Prove the correlation between what kids play with and stuff like this.
     
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    Bombs are nowhere near efficient at killing as guns, especially when your targets are not in contained areas. Let's be realistic here if we are going to have a debate.

    Our culture has changed incredibly since "back in the day". Our society is more violent. For over half of my lifetime we have been at war. We have violence created by our war on drugs. It's more acceptable to show people being gunned down in movies than it is to show a naked woman.

    We are a messed up people.
     
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    You may be right, how is banning guns going to change that? It won't.

    Bombs aren't efficient at killing? You cannot be serious.
     
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    Not the type of bombs you build from online tutorials. If bombs were easier and more efficient people wouldn't be using guns to kill people in school shootings.

    I'm not saying banning guns will. I'm not providing a clear cut solution. I think nothing will change until American culture changes first.
     
  13. eclark53520

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    The bomb in Oklahoma city seemed to do fine. Mostly fertilizer.

    I agree. The culture of America needs to change. That's the only thing that's going to help. Banning guns isn't the answer. Banning alcohol wasn't the answer. The last weapon ban didn't do squat. What's the definition of insanity again?
     
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    The bomb in Oklahoma City was made by somebody who had expertise that most people do not have.

    Banning guns isn't the answer, I agree. Just look at Canada and Europe to see how that has worked out...:D
     
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    On top of that, anyone buying that large amount of fertilizer would be flagged today.
     
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    So the government checks every single farmer in the USA every year?
     
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    Expertise that can be gained by anyone with the internet and enough determination i assure you.
     
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    Yes because that's what I meant. Obviously they only look at people who have no business owning fertilizer in large quantities.
     
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    They can't do any damage to innocents without a moron on the end of it, and that's the main issue - why should some every day imbecile have the power of life and death? As for the 'bomb' comment, I cannot understand why you think that helps justify the horrific actions of such people.

    Consider just how many Americans are in psycotherapy, add this to the number who have had psycotherapy and the number of people out there who really need it but will never get it. This is a big number (here's a bit of info' http://www.elementsbehavioralhealth...mental-disorders-with-medication-not-therapy/ ).


    I doubt you bothered reading the above so I'll summarise it like this; which of the following is preferable?

    A) To own guns to possibly help to prevent something that has a small probability of happening (ie a home invasion)

    B) Ban guns to put a stop to massacres that actually do happen.


    According to the Brady campaign, the number of people murdered using guns in one year was as follows;
    Finland - 17 people
    Australia - 35
    England and Wales - 39
    Spain - 60
    Germany - 194
    Canada - 200
    The U.S - 9484

    What on Earth will it take for a change to be made?
     
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    http://www.courant.com/sns-rt-us-china-stabbingsbre8bd065-20121213,0,5592318.story

    Ban knives as well, along with the list I gave in that other thread. This type of crap has gone on for a long time but unfortunately in todays world where we get news the instant it happens we are all more aware of what's happening.

    Banning guns will work as well as banning alcohol did, or how about banning drugs, that's worked out real well.
     

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