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Tiger's effect on golf

Discussion in 'General Golf Talk' started by TEA Time, Mar 16, 2015.

  1. BigJim13

    BigJim13 Well-Known Member Staff Member Moderator

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    What was "THE" reason Nike and basketball ruled the 90's? Jordan.

    Same thing in golf. I have a hard time believing that sponsors, Networks and corporations were going to throw billions of dollars at golf without a mega watt superstar. Remember what Nike's golf sales were before Tiger? Oh right, they didn't sell golf stuff.

    Lefty is as beloved a figure that golf has seen. Purses wouldn't be $7m if he was the main draw.
     
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    subsonic Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    BJ- Nike still doesn't sell that much in the golf business. I can't tell you the last time I saw a set of Nike irons in a bag.

    Anyway... You are right. Tiger is the sole reason responsible for the rise of golf. He is the man yada yada yada... Golf will disappear when he no longer plays.
     
  3. BigJim13

    BigJim13 Well-Known Member Staff Member Moderator

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    You guys aren't listening. Never once have I said that golf will die or that Tiger is the sole reason golf is popular.

    What I have said is that golf on TV is in trouble and unless another mega watt superstar come along, purses and viewership along with TV money will dwindle.

    Rory, Rickie and Spieth are good players and fun to watch. But they don't draw the non golf forum casual fans to the TV.
     
  4. anonymous golfaholic

    anonymous golfaholic Refusing Recovery Supporting Member

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    A guy I played with today had Pro Combos.

    I'm not sure Nike Golf would've had much success without Tiger.
     
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  5. BigJim13

    BigJim13 Well-Known Member Staff Member Moderator

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    I had a set of the first pro combos, they were sweet.
     
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    TheTrueReview "Playing it straight" Supporting Member

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    I could never understand the hate and distrust toward Nike Golf. Part of the reason I play their gear is because of the BS peddled against it. I like to zig when everyone else zags.

    For some strange reason TM has missed all of the same flack that Nike Golf gets (eg only a shoe maker & what would they know about golf).


    Both the current and old versions are quality irons.
     
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    subsonic Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    I could care less about what people play. Nike makes fine stuff. The original Sling Shot was a great iron. The Slingshots and the Sumo driver were a couple of big splashes for Nike.

    I am not a Nike hater etc... Just sayin that I don't see a lot of it on the course in my area. Of course YMMV...
     
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    subsonic Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    BJ- I had my sarcasm button on. My way of agreeing to disagree.

    There will be another Tiger. There always is. He is not a once in history occurrence.
     
  9. BigJim13

    BigJim13 Well-Known Member Staff Member Moderator

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    That's fine, but you were agreeing to disagree on a point I wasn't making. That's all I was saying.
     
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    subsonic Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    BJ- OK. I guess it would depend on what your definition of "trouble" is. Will the ratings go down if they do not roll out a good product? Probably. Will golf disappear from TV? Probably not.

    The angle I was hitting was that there will be another Super Star at some point.
     
  11. BigJim13

    BigJim13 Well-Known Member Staff Member Moderator

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    My definition of trouble for golf on TV? I guess a return to late 80's & thru the mid 90's. Not much viewership outside of the majors. I don't recall what purses were though.

    Golf won't disappear, a lot of money will though I bet.

    That being said, tiger with all his woes and lack of playing still led the sport in earnings with just under $60m. Most of that was sponsor money, so he still moves the needle even missing cuts and withdrawing.
     
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    BigJim13 Well-Known Member Staff Member Moderator

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    Found the list

    1. tiger $55m
    2. Lefty $60m
    3. Rory $49m
    4. Arnie $40m
    5. Jack $22m
    6. Billy Horschel $18m (10 from FedEx cup)
    7. Rose $18m
    8. Sergio $15m
    9. Adam Scott $15m
    10. Bubba $15m
     
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    limpalong Mental Ward Escapee Supporting Member

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    First, we all agree that Woods is probably the fundamentally best golfer to ever play this game. And, that greatness... the abilty to will a ball into the hole... drew an audience to the game. That said....

    1. Rock is correct in that inflation does need to be shown in the graph Tea put together. Without that, the graph does not correctly show the growth of purses in the game.
    2. When did the "dot com" bonanza hit?? Early 90's?? Woods entered the Game when people were flush with "disposable income". Playing Country Club golf was an "in" thing in the business clime. People were joining upper tier clubs to enhance their social standing. To be able to "talk the talk", one had to become interested in the Game and that brought additional viewers to the televised version of the sport.
    3. "I'm Tiger Woods!" Remember those Nike commercials?? Nike's advertising was geared to hit folks squarely between the eyes with the mindset that any one of us could see the same success as Woods. Nike advertising built our egos and we began watching Tiger and buying Nike clubs.
    4 The planets aligned. With Nicklaus getting older, the sport needed a new "hero". Woods came along just at the right time. With Silicon Valley making millionaires overnight and people taking up the game in huge numbers, Woods came along at the right time.

    Woods had an impact. Woods did not save the game. The Game would have been fine had he not come along. Woods' accomplishments elevated interest in the Game. Living through a slow economic recovery and people relying more on mobile aps to check highlights rather than "waste time" watching an entire 18-hole round has also been a contribuiting factor to declining viewership.
     
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    I think this part is huge!
     
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    agreed
     
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    anonymous golfaholic Refusing Recovery Supporting Member

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    If, and I mean hypothetically lol, Tiger somehow finds his way to the top of the leaderboads at Augusta this year on the weekend. Expect 3 times the viewers as last year. Just sayin.
     
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    BigJim13 Well-Known Member Staff Member Moderator

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    Know what the highest rated Masters ever was?







































    1997
     
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    Leader board?
     
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