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Discussion in 'Other Sports Talk' started by Sandpiper3, Aug 6, 2007.

  1. Sandpiper3

    Sandpiper3 Golf Course Designer

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    K, watching Sportscentre and see that Bonds tied up Aaron's HR record of 755. They showed clips of a bunch of significant HRs and then showed the 755th one that tied him.

    The announcer is saying "Ties the most significant individual record in all of sports"

    uhhhh....... NO, its hitting home runs, how is that the most significant individual record in ALL OF SPORTS.... if you dissagree with me you gota make it legit cuz thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard.
     
  2. Youngun5

    Youngun5 Beware of the Phog!

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    I hate baseball......and know that is a huge claim "in all of sports"

    but i don't see anything else knocking it off that podium really....i honestly don't
     
  3. Eracer

    Eracer No more triple bogies!!

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    Well, there is Hank Aaron's record of 755 non-steroid enhanced home runs.
     
  4. SilverUberXeno

    SilverUberXeno El Tigre Blanco

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    I don't like baseball either, but home runs are tough, and that's an extraordinary amount of them. What are you suggesting is a more impressive record? Tiger's Major-count by the time he's done will be incredible, and MJ's bulls had a serious dynasty, but HR record is an individual thing. It's huge.
     
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    sandwedge Well-Known Member

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    I agree with the announcer that the all time home run record is the most significant individual record in sports. The bad thing about that is a cheater is about to hold that record.

    Baseball is a sport that is more obsessed with stats than any other sport. The home run record is the most highly regarded of all of those stats. Most casual fans can't tell you how many rushing yards Emmit Smith has or how many points Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has scorred but they do know that Hank Aaron has 755 home runs.
     
  6. Rockford35

    Rockford35 Shark skin shoes Staff Member Admin

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    Until three years ago, steroid use wasn't illegal in MLB. So, even if McGwire/Bonds/Caminiti/etc used, it was within the rules set out by Major League Baseball, the same way it was when Aaron hit all his home runs.

    If steroids were around back then, you can bet your left nut that guys would have been taking them like crazy.

    As far as I'm concerned, the fact that Bonds is lying about taking them is COMPLETELY different from whether or not his record should be qualified as legit. It's 100% without a shadow of a doubt within the legal confines of MLB's rules and regulations.

    That being said, I still think that the most significant records in sports are:

    -Nolan Ryan's strikeout record (will never be touched)
    -Cal Ripken Jr's ironman streak (no chance)
    -Wayne Gretzky's single season scoring record (no chance)
    -Wayne's 50 goals in 39 games
    -Wayne's career points record (no chance, 2857, over 1000 from 2nd place)
    -Mario Lemieux's 5 goals, 5 different ways (even-strength goal, a power play goal, a short-handedgoal, a penalty shot goal, and an empty net goal.)
    -Damon Allen's career passing yardage of 72019 yards

    R35
     
  7. ualtim

    ualtim Carrollton, TX Supporting Member

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    Do not forget Byron Nelson's 11 straight wins. Tiger passed the halfway mark twice but has never really threatened it. Add that to your list, Rock. :D
     
  8. goatster

    goatster SUPER SOAKER

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    yes i believe that is more significant.also DiMaggio`s 56 game hitting streak.

    besides Bonds will be eraced from the record books in 5-6 yrs. by A-Rod.wich will make Bonds insignificant.
     
  9. Rockford35

    Rockford35 Shark skin shoes Staff Member Admin

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    Yep, that is huge. I'll soon add Tiger's major win totals as well.

    I think Dimaggio's streak could be broken by one of the light hitting guys. If they went out there to hit just stroked singles, i bet they could. But it won't be a planned thing, someone like Ichiro will go on a tear and do it.

    R35
     
  10. JamesR

    JamesR Interlocking Now

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    They should have showed a few of Barry in his older days, remind everybody how huge he got.

    ar_harrison.tripod.com_Agonist_BarryBonds.
     
  11. Rockford35

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    Irrelevant. Steroids were, in all intents and purposes, legal until two years ago.

    Again, the fact that he's blantantly lying about taking them is ENITIRELY different than his on field statistics.

    The fact that he's put the bat on the ball 755 times is the key here. \

    Even Cecil Fielder got big from his rookie season in 1986, but he was just a fat mofo. You'd never know if he was juicing or not. :D

    R35
     
  12. Sandpiper3

    Sandpiper3 Golf Course Designer

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    JamesR- They did show like from 100, then 200, then a bunch of diff milestones.

    I was watching it thinkin, wow Bonds used to be pretty pinner:p

    Im agreeing with Rock, Cal Ripken's, Nolan Ryan's, Wayne's single season scoring record, Damon Allen's rushing, then Byron Nelson's 11 straight and soon to be Tiger's major total are all more significant.

    BTW, as much as its visible about Bonds on steroids, I find it hilarious how everyone is already saying as if its fact that "the record is tarnished", get some proof first you whiners, ppl CAN get that big by working out and eating right and all that over time, its not impossible.
     
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    Hmmm. Pretty sweet record.

    If he didn't do steroids when they were illegal, good on him!
     
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    Sandy Well-Known Member

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    I have no problem with the argument over how important the record is, especially as it's a 'living' record that can be broken in the course of regular games, rather than a statistical oddity, or something that can be manipulated (like Ripken's record was to an extent, or Pele's '1000 goals' record that includes school soccer, friendlies and every other game possible to make that number up).

    The only problem I have is that it may well be the most significant individual record in all of NORTH AMERICAN sport, but I doubt anyone in Europe or many other parts of the world even knows it's been broken, let alone cares about it. Personally I love baseball, but I know only a couple of people back in the UK who know anything about the game and would know why this record is a big deal. I suspect the impact it has had back in Europe is about the same the result of the Charity/Community Shield that was played yesterday has had in the US!

    Still, I find this argument a lot more palatable (pun entirely intended) than ESPN's recent argument that the World Hot Dog Eating record was an equally big deal, and how the world would be reeling at the defeat of that Asian guy who's won it the last few years...
     
  15. lamebums

    lamebums 300 yards into the woods.

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    I wish that every time Bonds was up to bat, the pitcher would hit him with the ball until he's forced to retire.

    Or better yet, if Bonds and Kobe Bryant got into a flaming car wreck together, with Vick standing in the middle.

    The world of sports would be so much better off that way. Seriously.
     
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    Sunday morning at Noon. We had just come into the Men's Grill after playing and we saw the same clip....showed him hitting 100, 200 etc.

    And then the line......

    Here we are way down here in the Deep South, and all three of us say almost at the same time.....

    "No way.....Gretzky's got the all time greatest records...."

    If anyone would study it, and give Hockey a damn fair shake, I think they'd agree.

    Two more points:

    1) Bobby Cox (Braves manager) was reputed to say, "Bonds is no big deal...Alex Rodriquez is going to blow by him in a few more years"....and if you look at the stix, A-Rod got to 500 faster than anyone. Barring injury....Bonds "all time greatest record in all of sports" is only going to stand for another 5-6 years. Uhhhhh....

    2) As for baseball, the alltime great record IMHO, is Ripken's consecutive games....

    For a record to receive that sort of SUPERLATIVE, it should be unbreakable or damn near so....
     
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    JEFF4i She lives! Supporting Member

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    Great points Bravo.
     
  18. Eracer

    Eracer No more triple bogies!!

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    Here's the fact:

    "A 1988 US federal law declared the use and distribution of anabolic steroid drugs for nontherapeutic use illegal, but Major League Baseball did not test for steroids in baseball until 2003."

    The fact that a doctor prescribed them to Bonds in no way diminished the fact that it tarnishes his record.

    I agree with all your records being greater than the HR record, particularly Cal Ripkin's consecutive-game streak.

    I would add Jerry Rice's record of 22,895 career receiving yards.

    Sandpiper, you would have to be an idiot to believe that Bonds didn't take steroids - and you are no idiot.
     
  19. Sandpiper3

    Sandpiper3 Golf Course Designer

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    Eracer, the only point I have on Bonds is that it isnt proven, I wouldnt doubt it though, but I got nothing against him until its proven.

    Then again either way I dont really care cuz I dont even like baseball anywayz:p

    Viva Gretzky!
     
  20. Eracer

    Eracer No more triple bogies!!

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    I hear what you're saying but:

    OJ killed his wife.
    Michael Jackson molests young boys.
    Men have walked on the moon.
    WBL will buy more drivers.

    and Barry Bonds used anabolic steroids. But I agree with you - Major League Baseball is no longer relevant.

    Ain't life a bitch...
     

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