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2019 The PGA Discussion Thread

eclark53520

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Is there a specific rule that says you must walk? I found references to things like "as a general rule..." but nothing concrete such as "Rule 13.2.b states players must walk..."

The Martin case was back in 2001. How many players have you heard riding in carts since then? I've heard of zero. It was also for Q-School which was famously physically demanding. He was also good enough to compete but needed a cart due to a physical disability. The USGA has a provision for players with disabilities but ADA protection is going to trump other rules every time.

As for John Daly, he requested the cart because he has arthritis in his knee, not because he's fat.
PGA rule for their competitions, not USGA rule of golf.

ADA shouldn't trump private voluntary competitions, IMO. That's not how freedom should work. That's my argument. Obviously the courts disagree with me. If he wants to create another golfing association where people can ride carts, or play blindfolded, or use golf ball cannons or whatever rules he wants to imply, then please, feel free. But forcing a private entity to allow you a competitive advantage? That's wrong. Again, IMO.
 

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As for John Daly, he requested the cart because he has arthritis in his knee, not because he's fat.

He may have arthritis in his knee BECAUSE of his self abusive lifestyle. Carrying all that weight is tough on the cartilage. If a player is not physically able to compete in a sanctioned event, he should withdraw, not ask for accommodation. These precedents will open a can of worms that may never be close-able.
 

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I don't hate Casey Martin either, I simply think the whole thing was a waste of time. Like previously said, abide by the rules or don't play. But, he takes it to the Supreme Court, makes a production, spends taxpayer dollars, and then doesn't really even compete. Waste of time.

I feel bad that he has that much talent and a disability robs him of a real chance, but I still don't think he should be given different treatment.
 

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As an afterthought on the Daly cart situation, I was discussing it with my wife (nurse) as they showed Daly on hole 2. Apparently, since the venue is a public course, they have to provide ADA accommodations. On a private course, they can not enforce ADA rules. Not sure if that is what lead to Daly getting a cart relatively easily compared to the struggles/lawsuits of Casey Martin, but it would leave the PGA in a legal bind as it is a public venue and fully subject to the ADA laws.
 

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As an afterthought on the Daly cart situation, I was discussing it with my wife (nurse) as they showed Daly on hole 2. Apparently, since the venue is a public course, they have to provide ADA accommodations. On a private course, they can not enforce ADA rules. Not sure if that is what lead to Daly getting a cart relatively easily compared to the struggles/lawsuits of Casey Martin, but it would leave the PGA in a legal bind as it is a public venue and fully subject to the ADA laws.
Sort of playing devils advocate here....So John Q. Public can just walk right into a PGA tour event?

Seems like the course is 'closed' to the public for that private event. One must be a member, or buy a ticket, for the privilege of attending.

Just like I can't walk right into a private clubhouse without being a member(generally speaking).
 

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Holy shit Brooks Koepka! Nice round!
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"I got this"

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ualtim

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Sort of playing devils advocate here....So John Q. Public can just walk right into a PGA tour event?

Seems like the course is 'closed' to the public for that private event. One must be a member, or buy a ticket, for the privilege of attending.

Just like I can't walk right into a private clubhouse without being a member(generally speaking).
Does not matter if it’s a private event, it is a public venue funded by public tax dollars. I am not saying I agree with it, but by playing at a public venue it tied the PGA’s hands when it came to ADA laws.
 

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Why I love the Masters....no bababoohee, no get in the hole, and none of that other fan nonsense. Earlier rounds were quieter at Bethpage, but as the afternoon has wore on the annoying fans have started to multiply.
 

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Ladies and gentlemen, now on the tee....well, um, he is not here yet (3 minutes late)....oh there he is......the guy in the cart with the heater and a McDonald’s cup, your 1991 PGA Championship winner, John Daly.

Crooked Stick seems so long ago...
 

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