Complete rip off

[William Tipton]

I got your point. What I don't get is that you are basically going to give up golf because if this? 170 rounds down to 1-2 per month? Over this? I get being pissed in principle but if it were me I would just go to another course. You have said yourself there are several other options & cheaper too.

Life's to short to worry over stuff like this when there are other options.

I know....and youre right. Im not giving up something I enjoy over this. I'll either go with the 5 day pass this year or go somewhere else.
The whole thing was because I made the mistake of talking to this woman a few times and so by the time the membership thing came up it was becoming very clear that she is basically trying to get the memberships done away with entirely for the simple idiot reason that SHE doesnt like having to allow members on 'her' course on weekend mornings because she doesnt get to ring up a $45 sale for a few players.
I wish Id been entirely in the dark about the whole thing at this point, then I wouldnt have to know about what is really going on.

 

[TrickyPutt]

I would drop 125 at the local small claims court after you have been damaged and go get the the money back. If they bitch tell them you wouldnt mind asking the court to require notification of all card holders of of the overcharge as a component of the decision. Its neat having sheriffs or other men with guns go handle an a-hole on your behalf. Why, I believe it will save thousands just in therapy alone!

 

[BigJim13]

The pro at my home course said that he and others had told them that the prices didnt need to be raised. He said the same damned thing Ive said, that it doesnt cost him a dime to put me in with a paying threesome on saturday morning (not to mention the fact that THEY HAVE my $1100 in the bank already).

With all due respect, your pro is wrong. Your money is in the bank, true but If you take the place on a Saturday mrning of someone who would otherwise pay $X to play, the course is missing out on those greens fees.

Now, I'm not saying you shouldn't take full advantage of your unlimited membership. But I think what you are seeing is the ugly side of balancing keeping members happy while keeping paid rounds up. Also seeing why the pro isn't running the books.

 

[BigJim13]

I would drop 125 at the local small claims court after you have been damaged and go get the the money back. If they bitch tell them you wouldnt mind asking the court to require notification of all card holders of of the overcharge as a component of the decision. Its neat having sheriffs or other men with guns go handle an a-hole on your behalf. Why, I believe it will save thousands just in therapy alone!

Spend $125 to come out $145 ahead ($1100/12=$91/mo *3= $270-$125=$125), plus being a Muni I'm guessing they probably have a litigation clause in their membership agreement or at least deeper pockets to fight a lawsuit. I could be wrong on that though.

 

[BigJim13]

I would drop 125 at the local small claims court after you have been damaged and go get the the money back. If they bitch tell them you wouldnt mind asking the court to require notification of all card holders of of the overcharge as a component of the decision. Its neat having sheriffs or other men with guns go handle an a-hole on your behalf. Why, I believe it will save thousands just in therapy alone!

The more I think about this I'm not sure it could be done in small claims court. I think it would be more if a class action law suit, who knows though?

 

[William Tipton]

With all due respect, your pro is wrong. Your money is in the bank, true but If you take the place on a Saturday mrning of someone who would otherwise pay $X to play, the course is missing out on those greens fees.

Jim...Im not going to continue to argue with you on this.
FACT....they HAVE my $1100....whether I play or not...its in the bank.
FACT...they may or may NOT have someone elses money who made a tee time....that person can cancel and they get no money.
We can sit here and do this for a few days but the REALITY of this is I PAID IN FULL while Johnny Weekend golfer HASNT.
Im sorry if you dont understand the difference here but some money in the bank is better than a gamble.
The ONLY pro that wants the membership gone is the one who has the most frequented course. ALL the rest are BEGGING for people to become members.

They are NOT missing out on anything because they work as UNIT. My membership goes to support ALL SIX courses.
I really dont know how to make it any clearer than this

 

[William Tipton]

Spend $125 to come out $145 ahead ($1100/12=$91/mo *3= $270-$125=$125), plus being a Muni I'm guessing they probably have a litigation clause in their membership agreement or at least deeper pockets to fight a lawsuit. I could be wrong on that though.

Clearly if they cant afford to keep the memberships at $1100 they dont have very deep pockets at all, Jim.
Its not worth a lawsuit because I really dont care enough to pursue it beyond just calling the city counsel and letting them know that about 100 members or so will likely be shopping elsewhere for a membership.

As i said, I can get a membership at Thornapple for $1050...less than I pay now.
I can get it at National Trail, I believe was the name, for $675.
Thornapple is every bit as good a course as any of the city courses so its no loss to me other than I like the guys where I play.

Another way they could handle this is to have memberships apply only on one course....or not apply at the b#$%es course if she doesnt like dealing with them. Or simply fix the exact issue of weekend mornings and making us wait until noon.

With all due respect, your pro is wrong.

I am having a hard time believing that your disagreeing with the guy who RUNS the course, Jim
I'd say he KNOWS how his course finances are going...know what I mean?



ugh.
Im taking a break for a few days guys.
I didnt need this to turn into this. I just felt like venting.
See you all in a week or so

 

[BigJim13]

Jim...Im not going to continue to argue with you on this.
FACT....they HAVE my $1100....whether I play or not...its in the bank.
FACT...they may or may NOT have someone elses money who made a tee time....that person can cancel and they get no money.
We can sit here and do this for a few days but the REALITY of this is I PAID IN FULL while Johnny Weekend golfer HASNT.
Im sorry if you dont understand the difference here but some money in the bank is better than a gamble.
The ONLY pro that wants the membership gone is the one who has the most frequented course. ALL the rest are BEGGING for people to become members.

They are NOT missing out on anything because they work as UNIT. My membership goes to support ALL SIX courses.
I really dont know how to make it any clearer than this

Its clear that you aren't getting what I am saying either. Your money IS in the bank, yes. On that we agree. Since your money is in the bank, when "Johnny Weekend Golfer" shows up to play and pays his greens fees, put that together with your money in the bank=more money in the bank. Right? I don't know how to make that any clearer either.

 

[BigJim13]

Clearly if they cant afford to keep the memberships at $1100 they dont have very deep pockets at all, Jim.
Its not worth a lawsuit because I really dont care enough to pursue it beyond just calling the city counsel and letting them know that about 100 members or so will likely be shopping elsewhere for a membership.

As i said, I can get a membership at Thornapple for $1050...less than I pay now.
I can get it at National Trail, I believe was the name, for $675.
Thornapple is every bit as good a course as any of the city courses so its no loss to me other than I like the guys where I play.

Another way they could handle this is to have memberships apply only on one course....or not apply at the b#$%es course if she doesnt like dealing with them. Or simply fix the exact issue of weekend mornings and making us wait until noon.

I am having a hard time believing that your disagreeing with the guy who RUNS the course, Jim
I'd say he KNOWS how his course finances are going...know what I mean?



ugh.
Im taking a break for a few days guys.
I didnt need this to turn into this. I just felt like venting.
See you all in a week or so

Running a course doesn't always mean they know the money side of things. I do disagree with him, but it doesnt really matter since your giving up golf over this.

 

[azgreg]

I think it's time everybody take a ******* Xanax.

 

[TrickyPutt]

I was gonna give a Trickyputt communication award.

 

[BigJim13]

I think it's time everybody take a ******* Xanax.

Whats a ***** Xanax?

 

[BigJim13]

I was gonna give a Trickyputt communication award.

 

[eclark53520]

4 pages on this first world problem. Love it.

They're definitely losing money on you, that's why you buy the membership. You wouldn't buy the membership if you weren't going to take full advantage of it and save money. You saving money = them losing potential money. Once they see that in the books, they will find a way to stop it. It's a business...now maybe some day unicef will get in the golf game...but until then(anyone get that reference?)

 

[Fairwaysplitter3320]

Jim...Im not going to continue to argue with you on this.
FACT....they HAVE my $1100....whether I play or not...its in the bank.
FACT...they may or may NOT have someone elses money who made a tee time....that person can cancel and they get no money.
We can sit here and do this for a few days but the REALITY of this is I PAID IN FULL while Johnny Weekend golfer HASNT.
Im sorry if you dont understand the difference here but some money in the bank is better than a gamble.
The ONLY pro that wants the membership gone is the one who has the most frequented course. ALL the rest are BEGGING for people to become members.

They are NOT missing out on anything because they work as UNIT. My membership goes to support ALL SIX courses.
I really dont know how to make it any clearer than this

I get your point (I do) but you have to remember they are running a BUSINESS and part of any business is protecting the bottom line. Period. If they want to raise the rates, change the hours or let people ride unicorns on the course that is their choice and more than likely had meetings and brought those choices before a board before they went into effect. They analyzed the risk/reward and decided that the changes were the best thing for the BUSINESS.

Now you the CONSUMER are faced with choices, pay a little more for what you want (and based on your posts you want to continue to play there) or go somewhere else where its fits a bit better into your budget and moral compass. You have to analyze your wants vs. needs and decide which BUSINESS you are going to give your money to.

This is a simple problem to solve. Do you want to pay to play where you want? Or do you want to pay to play elsewhere?