SilverUberXeno
El Tigre Blanco
- Jul 26, 2005
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Capitalism does not imply that one man rules everything. That's a monarchy. Think about the economy... one man doesn't get rich unless people BUY his services, or his goods. If the people genuinely decide "this guy has got to go", boycott him. It just so happens that guys like Bill Gates and Sam Walton, as well as Carnegie, Rockefeller, and these other "robber barons" were offering the most for the least. Real jerks, for sure...
You're not just criticizing your way of life. You're genuinely saying "This is wrong." In your world, there wouldn't be leisure. There would be the life of animals, where their sole struggle is simply to survive. If that's your ideal, more power to you. But honestly, given the choice between death or living for the sake of my neighbors, the only difference would be my consumption of oxygen. Life is an individual experience. Like you said, COOPERATION. Not sacrifice. Free trade is cooperation.
You say that in a commune you wouldn't lift a finger. You wouldn't last long. There is no welfare in a commune, except for those physically unable. You contribute, or you're out.
This sounds an awful lot like capitalism. Produce, or starve. I think your ideal is actually a benevolent capitalism full of care bears and lollipops. If I got a "fair share" whether I worked hard or not, why would I work hard? Why waste my energy doing twice the work of ManA for no gain? You should look into the Soviets.
To abandon the primitive urges that still drive us to covet, envy, hate, steal, and kill our fellow man - all in the name of some "green, square, piece of paper."
If a person had no desire, why would they bother living? Even living is a desire. Without desire, you would deteriorate and eventually die. As per the hating, stealing, killing, in the name of money... I'd bet no one on this board feels that way. The desire for money is the desire for property, or ease of life. It's very sensible.
But in the long run, when we run out of everything we so frantically desire, where will we be? Back in the forest, and unable to survive there, because we held on to the idea that the individual - alone and competitive - was what mattered.
The individual is how our society became great; how the life expectancy has doubled over the last century, how we fight cancer, build planes, cars, and make it all relatively affordable. Canada's healthcare system went to pot when they went for a completely socialized system (I believe they've integrated more private means now?), to the point that many people were dying on waiting lists just to SEE a heart specialist.
You may think "People die in this country too because they can't afford it." That's true. And sad as it may be, that's the way it is. Healthcare is a service. Not everyone is entitled to it. Hospitals aren't magic, they're full of people who paid hundreds of thousands to go to school for approximately 10 years. You want them to work for free? Or won't let them name their price? You'd see a lot less competent doctors- exactly what has happened in the socialist countries of the world.
You seem to think humans are a poison to the world. That's the most vivid tragedy to me. Your life isn't the purpose of my life, and it likely never will be. I don't expect my life to be the purpose of yours either. Take care of yourself, and respect my individual rights. That's what I want out of everyone.
- A side note; I personally know a doctor who traveled with the US Olympic Gymnastics team for several olympics, who visited the Soviet Union in the 80's. They didn't have running water in Moscow hospitals.
That's what your "perfect world" is leading to.
You're not just criticizing your way of life. You're genuinely saying "This is wrong." In your world, there wouldn't be leisure. There would be the life of animals, where their sole struggle is simply to survive. If that's your ideal, more power to you. But honestly, given the choice between death or living for the sake of my neighbors, the only difference would be my consumption of oxygen. Life is an individual experience. Like you said, COOPERATION. Not sacrifice. Free trade is cooperation.
You say that in a commune you wouldn't lift a finger. You wouldn't last long. There is no welfare in a commune, except for those physically unable. You contribute, or you're out.
This sounds an awful lot like capitalism. Produce, or starve. I think your ideal is actually a benevolent capitalism full of care bears and lollipops. If I got a "fair share" whether I worked hard or not, why would I work hard? Why waste my energy doing twice the work of ManA for no gain? You should look into the Soviets.
To abandon the primitive urges that still drive us to covet, envy, hate, steal, and kill our fellow man - all in the name of some "green, square, piece of paper."
If a person had no desire, why would they bother living? Even living is a desire. Without desire, you would deteriorate and eventually die. As per the hating, stealing, killing, in the name of money... I'd bet no one on this board feels that way. The desire for money is the desire for property, or ease of life. It's very sensible.
But in the long run, when we run out of everything we so frantically desire, where will we be? Back in the forest, and unable to survive there, because we held on to the idea that the individual - alone and competitive - was what mattered.
The individual is how our society became great; how the life expectancy has doubled over the last century, how we fight cancer, build planes, cars, and make it all relatively affordable. Canada's healthcare system went to pot when they went for a completely socialized system (I believe they've integrated more private means now?), to the point that many people were dying on waiting lists just to SEE a heart specialist.
You may think "People die in this country too because they can't afford it." That's true. And sad as it may be, that's the way it is. Healthcare is a service. Not everyone is entitled to it. Hospitals aren't magic, they're full of people who paid hundreds of thousands to go to school for approximately 10 years. You want them to work for free? Or won't let them name their price? You'd see a lot less competent doctors- exactly what has happened in the socialist countries of the world.
You seem to think humans are a poison to the world. That's the most vivid tragedy to me. Your life isn't the purpose of my life, and it likely never will be. I don't expect my life to be the purpose of yours either. Take care of yourself, and respect my individual rights. That's what I want out of everyone.
- A side note; I personally know a doctor who traveled with the US Olympic Gymnastics team for several olympics, who visited the Soviet Union in the 80's. They didn't have running water in Moscow hospitals.
That's what your "perfect world" is leading to.
