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It's offical the VooDoo for Titleist is REAL...

ManchesterGolfer

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Stumbled across this on Titliest's website... very intreasting I think. All the internet Forum talk of this shaft being insuperior to the Real VooDoo's must have triggered this responce by Titleist & Aldila.

This Fitters’ Forum showcases the Aldila VooDoo shaft and the proprietary Aldila VooDoo for Titleist offered as stock and custom options in 909 metals. We feature information from Aldila Vice-President of Engineering John Oldenburg as well as Acushnet Manager of Golf Shaft Development Don Bone.
VooDoo for Titleist v. Aldila VooDoo VS6 & VS7
“After extensive player testing of numerous potential VooDoo designs from Aldila, Titleist settled on the version that worked best in the new 909 drivers,” notes Oldenburg. “The specs for the Titleist VooDoo fall roughly between the Aldila VooDoo VS6 and VS7 with its weight closer to VS7 and bending and torsional stiffness closer to VS6. So in an apples-to-apples comparison, Titleist VooDoo should play like a blend of the aftermarket VooDoo VS6 and VS7.”
“Titleist VooDoo is produced on the exact same tooling, using the exact same materials, and has the exact same S-Core technology stabilization rib as the aftermarket shafts and tour shafts.”
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 width="100%" border=1><TBODY><TR><TH width="19%"></TH><TH align=middle width="27%">Titleist VooDoo</TH><TH align=middle width="27%">Aldila VooDoo VS6</TH><TH align=middle width="27%">Aldila VooDoo VS7</TH></TR><TR><TD>Weight</TD><TD align=middle>72 grams</TD><TD align=middle>66 grams</TD><TD align=middle>75 grams</TD></TR><TR><TD>Torque</TD><TD align=middle>3.3°</TD><TD align=middle>3.5°</TD><TD align=middle>3.2°</TD></TR><TR><TD>Flex Point</TD><TD align=middle>mid-high</TD><TD align=middle>mid-high</TD><TD align=middle>mid-high</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Selecting a VooDoo for 909 metals
“Because of the stability promise of S-Core technology, we had Aldila make many variations of VooDoo designs and we did extensive player testing on them at our Oceanside Test Facility,” Bone begins. “The version we selected worked best for a broad range of swing speeds in the 909 drivers, which was not the case with the tour-focused, aftermarket VooDoo VS6 and VS7. With the Titleist VooDoo, more people can benefit from the very stable feel of S-Core technology and still have a playable shaft. If someone does need a shaft that’s a bit more aggressive, then the 1″ tip trim we offer custom order brings the Titleist VooDoo closer to its aftermarket, parent VooDoo shafts with their lower spin and lower ball flight characteristics.”
About S-Core Technology
All VooDoo shafts are specially designed with S-Core Technology, a patented, one-piece carbon fiber rib system that dramatically stabilizes the shaft’s cross-section for increased accuracy and distance. Its hoop design allows the shaft to stay round and more concentric during the swing, preventing shaft ovaling, deformation and wasted energy. This innovative rib structure increases hoop strength/stiffness by over 80 percent compared to conventional graphite shafts. This design not only helps to keep the shaft’s structure stable, but also assists in transferring the maximum energy a golfer can deliver to the ball, generating consistently straighter and longer shots.

Fittingworks Forum Discussion with Aldila on VooDoo Shafts

So do you think this release is a result of all the talk of the 'for Titleist' shaft being a POS noodle that isn't as good as the real deal?
 

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lol. all shafts are real.
no club maker purposely puts in a POS noodle.
why even steel is real.
 

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I always crack up when reviewers claim a stock shaft is a POS. I think there is absolutely something psychological going on when they look down and see "made exclusively for" or something similar. My bet is if the wording designations where swapped and the "real" shaft said "made for" that the reviewer would have the same reaction, the "made for" shaft is a POS...

In this case though, I do see how a description of "watered down" version would be accurate.
 
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I always crack up when reviewers claim a stock shaft is a POS. I think there is absolutely something psychological going on when they look down and see "made exclusively for" or something similar. My bet is if the wording designations where swapped and the "real" shaft said "made for" that the reviewer would have the same reaction, the "made for" shaft is a POS...

In this case though, I do see how a description of "watered down" version would be accurate.

I think watered down is the perfect way to describe a made for shaft. They soften the spec a little to fit a broader range of swings/players. I personally don't like the sofer profile but I doubt Aldila or Mitsubishi Rayon, etc, would put there name to a shaft thats made to lesser tollerances than there same named aftermarket shafts.
 

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I was up in Ark visiting Bro in Law over the weekend, and he put one of those guys (909-VooDoo) in his bag.

He was very pleased with it, I couldn't hit the VooDoo for DooDoo, but then again I can't hit any FW wood.:D
 

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Profile an aftermarket voodoo and a Titty voodoo and then tell me they are the same shaft. Not even close.
 
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Profile an aftermarket voodoo and a Titty voodoo and then tell me they are the same shaft. Not even close.

I have never seen a major company try to give so much detail in defence of a made for shaft before on there website. When you think about it a VooDoo will set you back around £180 and the 909's are only £240 which means Aldila must be doing them a great deal if they are made by the same process & materials to the same standards.
 

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John Oldenburg (IMO) Is extremely talented in "polishing turds". What he doesn't realize is you can polish a turd all ya want...but in the end, it's still a turd.

“Titleist VooDoo is produced on the exact same tooling, using the exact same materials, and has the exact same S-Core technology stabilization rib as the aftermarket shafts and tour shafts.”
What he chose NOT to say in the remarks above is if the Titleist shafts adheared to same shaft profiles, let alone same QC tolerances as aftermarket versions.

<table style="width: 367px; height: 124px;" border="1" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><th width="19%">
</th><th width="27%" align="middle">Titleist VooDoo</th><th width="27%" align="middle">
</th><th width="27%" align="middle">
</th></tr><tr><td>Weight</td><td align="middle">72 grams</td><td align="middle">
</td><td align="middle">
</td></tr><tr><td>Torque</td><td align="middle">3.3°</td><td align="middle">
</td><td align="middle">
</td></tr><tr><td>Flex Point</td><td align="middle">mid-high</td><td align="middle">
</td><td align="middle">
</td></tr></tbody></table>

About a hundred or so shafts we've profiled in the past few years ALL carry the same, vague, minimal specs they are so proud of.

As Lyle said, profile samples from both and you will see enormous differences between the two versions...
 

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I have never seen a major company try to give so much detail in defence of a made for shaft before on there website. When you think about it a VooDoo will set you back around £180 and the 909's are only £240 which means Aldila must be doing them a great deal if they are made by the same process & materials to the same standards.

its easy for them to sell at a low price..

compared to the open market, they have cut out the middlemen and the retailer, and have a guarantee for a large qty to sell over a period of time.
That is a huge difference.
 

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its easy for them to sell at a low price..

compared to the open market, they have cut out the middlemen and the retailer, and have a guarantee for a large qty to sell over a period of time.
That is a huge difference.

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Or another scenario could be they have a large percentage that did not or could not meet their QC requirements, and instead of destroying them a thousands of dollars lost, they add a Titleist logo, slip them into the heads at minimal profit (which is better than a loss), Titleist can market them as the “Real Deal” and add cost to the driver.<o></o>
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[FONT=&quot]Any one ever think about going to a Titleist dealer and buying a driver, and ask them to pull one of their aftermarket Voodoos, and slip it in a new head at the same price as a production model with VooDoo?<o></o>[/FONT]
 

Nikonut

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you know the marketing channels can easily take 40 to 50%

lets see: a $250 shaft at the store
retail markup 25% now 187
distributor markup 15-20% now 150
factory profit 100% (yes)
cost to make $75. tops.

a clubmaker comes along.... demands a great price , they send out bids to the various shaft makers.

so they sell the shaft to titleist for $100. easy profits, guaranteed sale, association of their product to a great clubmaker.

but they cannot, for marketing sakes, put the exact same name on it.

Mind you, I have only been involved in consumer electronics, but business works about the same.


after all how do those $400 drivers end up being $250 in a years time ?
just dirt cheap to make, bottom line. you might be supriised how inexpensivly things can be made these days. the unsung intellectuals of today, are the brainiacs who design
hi volume production equipment!!!
 

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