- Nov 10, 2009
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Theres a guy on our LDA team who's swing speed tops out at 102 mph, but he can routinely drive the ball 300 yards.
There are very few "Absolute" rules with club fitting...it is an individual based process.... Theres a guy on our LDA team who's swing speed tops out at 102 mph, but he can routinely drive the ball 300 yards.
.... Theres a guy on our LDA team who's swing speed tops out at 102 mph, but he can routinely drive the ball 300 yards.
I am a virual golf guru by my own right.
102mph on FlightScope would translate to 110+ mph on TrackMan and 300 yard drives would be somewhere in the neighbourhood of 280-285 yards.
My guess is this guys real numbers are 110mph CHS and 285yards total distance!!!
Actually, we do not use a FlightScope...I think you might have us confused with Pat Dempsey who uses a FS at his Pacoima facility. We use the Zelocity Doppler Pure Launch systems that incorporate Ball Velocity, Club Head Speed, Carry/Total Distance, Power Transfer Ratio %, Launch Angle, Total Spin, Deviation, Angle of Descent, Angle of Approach, Side Spin, Club Face Angle, Tempo, Azimuth, Swing Path, Dynamic Loft, Shot Type, Trajectory Graphics, Club Acceleration and Deceleration, Database and Reports.
Regardless, these numbers we've aquired on him, and him alone on various types of equipment.....so we've removed all variables, and it is him, not equipment related
I took a cursory look for some data we pulled in last years Milwaukee golf show, but cannot find it. We actually took photos of some of the results because it is too hard to believe. I will try to get it and post it here (like I did at a couple other forums).
However, I am sure the player himself has it (He also does clubfitting and instructions in Wisconsin). His name is Al Rohlander (I will provide you his contact info if you'd like).
I realize a swing speed around 102 should not produce those kind of drives and we even brought it to Tom Wishon about a year ago for his input....he said without actually SEEING the swing, all he had were throries...such as Al uses about the softest flex shaft vailable...we put him in R flex or softer (depending on head and club length).
Regardless, I am going to dig up that data/photos and get them here for you to see.....
Indy, I am not questioning your veracity. It is simply that given everything I know (which is admittedly modest at best) it would appear as though Mr. Rohlander is somehow violating , or I guess overachieving would be a better word, current knowledge of ball flight laws. I recognize that Tom Wishon is one of THE elite names in club design/ball flight. The fact that you called on him suggests to me you were as ssurprised as anyone. If I read your post correctly, what TW was postulating is that Al had a fairly unique swing and tempo that permits him to use a soft R, which presumably generates more clubhead speed. I believe that because of USGA regs the smash or efficiency factor is maxed out at 1.5, therefore Al almost has be getting more than 102 mph delivered to that ball. I say that because my understanding is his max ball speed (allow 2% error on LM for 104 mph, and high end of COR .8349 for 1.52 smash) should be 158. My average ball speed with standard driver is 159, and with my bomber 166 and I only see 300 with a very generous tailwind or hard fairway, with 265-270 being an average with standard driver. What I am wondering is if we could reword 295yds suggestion that the monitor was incorrect to "the monitor reads the clubhead speed incorrectly for HIS swing," as perhaps he gets his max speed later than most golfers? As I understand ball flight, the only other possible explanation would be an extremely unique launch angle/spin rate/ descent angle that could possibly get the 272 carry + 10% roll needed for 300. Or did he buy "The Secrets of 30 More Yards" on the Internet for three easy payment of $39.95 If so I want that link and I want it NOW!!!! Thanks for the info.
I did not take offense by you questioning me at all. as you stated, I cannot completely figure out exactly how he's doing it.
He has achieved these results on many different types of launch monitors (we also have a couple Vector Accusports) and out doors...so we KNOW his distances are correct.
If we put him in a stiffer flex shaft, his numbers are more "human like", and while still, impressive, no where near the magnitude of when he's using a soft flex shaft. Al also, is not a large man...he's about 6' tall, medium build, not muscular by any means.
We will be at the Milwaukee and Green Bay golf shows again in 2010...and not only do I invite you (or anyone) to come out and see this, I will be bringing my sports camera and take pics of his swing, broken down in 5 images per second...hopefull that will give me an insight as to how he does it
Sounds like I'ma get me a chick shaft
Next area of concern is while I completely agree in conditioning, I warn not to get too obsessed associating upper body (arms)strength with propulsion.
"Muscling" the club will only slow down your swing speed...
Muscling up = tension...and tension KILLS a golf swing. Sadly, so many times I see people frustrated with their distance and try to "power" the ball further...and all that happens is the ball goes less far and now off target as well.
Here's an example...
Hold your left hand out, palm facing upwards...and place a golf tee, upside down so it is propped up, with the sharp end pointing upwards.
Now, with your right hand, make a fist and strike the tee as hard as you can and see how far it will fly off your hand.
Most likely, it will go no more than a foot and flop to the ground.
Now try it again, but this time put your middle finger of your right hand near the tip of your thumb and "flick" the tee off your palm.
Most likely, you'll hit it dead square and it will fly many feet away.
What this proves is timing and proper use of tendons are much more contributory to effective speed than brute strength (specifically upper body strength).
Current LDA champion Jamie Sadlowski, this kid is skinny and and no upper body strength, I could probably knock him down with a fart, but he pounds the ball 400 yards due to timing.
Look at Hank Kuehne. He averaged 314 yards on the PGA and had his bicep muscle in his right arm torn in an accident when he was a kid....his swing is all tendon and timing based.
Now I am not advocating to not work out....I am saying know which muscles to use....Strong legs and core are VERY important for distance and constancy. Upper strength is great, but should not be your only focus to added distance.