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New Cleveland 460 Driver!

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I have been thinking about upgrading my old Cleveland 400 launcher for a while and picked up the 460Ti on sale for $249. It's a regular shaft with a 10.5 degree loft.

In my younger days (I'm 52 now) I have always played a stiff shaft (no jokes please) with a 9.5 degree loft, but the ball flight in the old 400 with a 10.5 degree loft seemed to work well.

I went to the Cialis Western Open a few weeks ago and I was surprised on how many of the younger & older pro's were using drivers with 10.5 degree lofts. (I thought they all used 8's or 9's)

Thsi 460Ti has a nice feel and miss hits still fly far. The head is a little offset at address, and there is a small Cleveland logo on the driver top in line with the sweet spot.

I have played two rounds with it so far and I like it a lot. The biggest difference is that my drives are GOING VERY HIGH now, much more than with my old Cleveland driver. I'm playng it the same way as before, with the ball in line with the inside of my left heel at address.

I'm playing tommorrow so I'll try moving it back in my stance a bit, but I'm worried about hooking it if I do.

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golfer1 said:
I have been thinking about upgrading my old Cleveland 400 launcher for a while and picked up the 460Ti on sale for $249. It's a regular shaft with a 10.5 degree loft.

In my younger days (I'm 52 now) I have always played a stiff shaft (no jokes please) with a 9.5 degree loft, but the ball flight in the old 400 with a 10.5 degree loft seemed to work well.

I went to the Cialis Western Open a few weeks ago and I was surprised on how many of the younger & older pro's were using drivers with 10.5 degree lofts. (I thought they all used 8's or 9's)

Thsi 460Ti has a nice feel and miss hits still fly far. The head is a little offset at address, and there is a small Cleveland logo on the driver top in line with the sweet spot.

I have played two rounds with it so far and I like it a lot. The biggest difference is that my drives are GOING VERY HIGH now, much more than with my old Cleveland driver. I'm playng it the same way as before, with the ball in line with the inside of my left heel at address.

I'm playing tommorrow so I'll try moving it back in my stance a bit, but I'm worried about hooking it if I do.

Comments ?

I bought a new 10.5-degree driver with a Fujikura HL-55 shaft, and my drives were sky-high. I reshafted it and the shots came back to a good trajectory. The shaft on your new driver is probably the culprit.

The "young guns" these days do play 10.5-degree drivers, because the technology in the new clubs, along with their extra-stiff shafts make the ball flight much lower (read - more penetrating) for a given loft.

I think.

Anyway, the shaft probably has a lot more to do with the ball-flight than the loft of the clubhead.
 
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Thanks for the input. The data on the shaft reads as follows:

Torque: 37
Weight: 55g
Kick Point: Low
Tip: .350"

What shaft did you replace yours with?
 

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Grafalloy Comp Nt 65g stiff. Outstanding combination with the Tour Edge Exotics.

I bet it would play awesome in the 460 Ti (as I have one with a Graf Blue in Stiff, 8.5* and I can hit it a mile).

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Rockford35 said:
Grafalloy Comp Nt 65g stiff. Outstanding combination with the Tour Edge Exotics.

I bet it would play awesome in the 460 Ti (as I have one with a Graf Blue in Stiff, 8.5* and I can hit it a mile).

R35

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Still waiting for my Cleveland Launcher 460 Comp (10.5) to come back from Cleveland with the Grafalloy prototype Comp NT 65 stiff shaft.
 
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Can you give me an idea on the approximate cost to replace the shaft? Should it be sent to Cleveland Golf?
 

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The cost for my re-shafting project will be $100-120 somewhere because the Grafalloy prototype comp NT shaft is about $80 in Golfsmith.

I sent mine in because it was the Launcher "Comp" with the composite crown. Normally you heat the shaft to get it out and this could wreck this head. Cleveland had a sticker on the shaft when I bought it saying to send to Cleveland for all reshafting. Some of the pros in these forums said you could cut the old shaft off and drill it out by I wasn't in a hurry for it.

If you have a solid metal head most of the club makers could re-shaft for you. Earlier Launcher 460 Ti could be re-shafted without having to send to Cleveland.
 
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Would getting a swing analysis first be prudent versus selecting a shaft based on a trail & error basis? I spoke to the folks at Cleveland Golf this morning and they stated that while a 9.5 degree shaft could help lower the ball flight somewhat for me, the correct way to improve the trajectory would only be via a swing analysis. They stated that all of their 460 size heads with standard shafts that they offer are targeted at the weekend golfer, so the easiest way to win that market is offer a product that gets the ball up high, therefore more distance.
 

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golfer1 said:
Would getting a swing analysis first be prudent versus selecting a shaft based on a trail & error basis? I spoke to the folks at Cleveland Golf this morning and they stated that while a 9.5 degree shaft could help lower the ball flight somewhat for me, the correct way to improve the trajectory would only be via a swing analysis. They stated that all of their 460 size heads with standard shafts that they offer are targeted at the weekend golfer, so the easiest way to win that market is offer a product that gets the ball up high, therefore more distance.

Yes. But once you have an idea what shaft feel and characteristics you like and are looking for, it's not alot of trial and error.

But you are right, stock shafts target the weekend warrior. But once you get an analysis done, I bet you're surprised a) what shaft you should be using and b) how many choices there are. It just doesn't spit out "Aldila NVS in 75g" being the perfect shaft for a guy. It may feel like licorice in your hands and you might want something with a stiffer feel.

There's alot more to shafting than trial and error. And there's even "trial and error" after the fitting.

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