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Silver's "Golf Progression" thread

Silver

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Dec 5, 2004
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Alright, as I commented in the "resolutions" thread, I have two "major" goals for this season:

1. Break 90 by mid March
2. Break 80 by the end of the season

I'm not saying that I want to be down to a 5 by the end of the year (although that'd be nice), I'd just like to get a few killer rounds in this year. I'm going to go about it by mainly achieving several small goals.

1. Work on my fundamentals (which are generally pretty good) by maintaining a strong pre-shot routine. I follow the "GAS" method (Grip, alignment, and stance).

2. Work my swing mechanics. I've been told by every pro that I've gone to that I have a fundamentally strong (not perfect or even sound) and a fairly natural swing, but I need to work out a few minor flaws that cause a lot of damage. These include an overly active upper body (my upper outraces my lower on the downswing, which leads to pulls), occasional plane problems (generally good, but nobody's perfect), and wrist hinging and releasing at the proper times (I tend to hinge a bit late and release a bit early, which greatly reduces my power at impact - although my size still makes me quite a bit more powerful than many others that I know). I have a few other minor things, such as being extremely right hand dominant, which tends to cause me to close the face at impact, and also when I try to generate more power, I tend to come over the top and we all know that leads to significant problems. Oh yeah, and I need to smooth out my tempo a bit, a more relaxed back swing rather than the "throw-back" that I sometimes start to employ when I get worked up.

3. Short game. While my short game is generally not "bad", I'll rarely get up and down for par, but often for bogey. I don't have a lot of 3 putts, but I do have a lot of 2 putts (often within 10-15 feet). I need to work on getting my pitches and chips closer to the hole, rather than just onto the green. I need to work on my putting within 15 feet to start being able to make more of those. I need to make sure that I don't 3 putt from the 15 foot+ range, much less within that. My lag putting is generally not bad, although I do still get the occasional "oh my, that's still 10 feet from the hole" putt.

4. Mental game. I need to maintain my cool. I need to forget bad holes and somehow not let it affect my game. An example of this was when I was playing Fraserview last Tuesday and dropped my scorecard on the tee box at 13 (the downhill par 3 with the water hazard in the pictures). I noticed as we were walking to 14 so I ran back to the tee box to get it and ran back to the tee box at 14. This was a bit of a stretch for my old tubby lungs, so when I got back to the tee, I was winded and the blood was really flowing. I hit a bad drive OB and hit another that wasn't much better, but was playable. I ended up with a 9. I followed this up with a 7 (another lost drive), a 4 (with a nearly lost drive) on a par 3, and an 8 after I lost a ball on a really nice approach shot from 200 that just hit the cart path just left of the green and in turn sent the ball sailing into the woods. I just about lost it, but tried really hard to keep my focus. I then lost the scorecard again somewhere between 16 and 18 and therefore couldn't even add them all up. I think I had a 7 on 18 with another lost ball. I had obviously lost my focus and could think about nothing more than NOT LOSING ANY BALLS and just kept losing them. Hell, I almost lost a tee shot on a downhill par 3 - a bloody 7 iron!

5. Attached to the mental game is course management. I need to stop going for glory. I'm not on the tour. I probably never will be. I don't need to try for shots I don't have a high likelihood of success with. I can very easily hit par 5 greens in regulation, even if I hit bloody irons off the tee. I need to play smart and to my strengths (currently my iron game because I've totally lost my tee game lately). I should really just leave my driver at home until I can regain some confidence with it. I need to do things like hit my hybrid off the tee more, hit layups and go for bogeys rather than risking it all for a bit of glory.

I'm fairly confident I can break 90 as early as my next round by focusing purely on #5. It's pissing rain right now, but might clear up early next week in time for me to get a decent round in somewhere. Breaking 90 shouldn't be hard for someone who has a half decent short game, a fairly strong iron game, and is generally pretty long (not super long, but an 8 is usually 150-5 or so, a 6 about 175, a 4H about 200-225 etc). Avoid the blowups, hit the smart clubs, and keep it in the short grass.

Anyhow, that's about what I can think of right now, but I'll keep updating this thread as I make actual progression, including links to videos of swing progression and what not. Hopefully these won't include anymore shank music videos though.
 
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You haven't broken 90? Me neither. I have posted an honest 42 over 9 holes, but I had to go to a Mickey Mouse opera here in San Francisco so I had to leave the course.

It hurt to leave that night, just 1.5 hours from darkness...
 

Bravo

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Great job of self examination!

You have plenty to work on and stay with the issues you outlined. They are all good ones...

May I make a suggestion?

Go out and play your next two rounds of golf with a single goal: to bogey every hole. As you stand on the tee - say to yourself: "OK I am playing for bogey here"...

You would be surprised how this can relax you mentally and change your frame of mind as you approach a shot.

I learned this the hard way by playing in multi-club tournament using a format similar to the Ryder Cup. We have two man teams whose handicap must total to ten. As you can imagine, the Captain will put a golfer with a 0 handicap with a 10 or someone with a +1 with a nine...

The first time I played in it - I played lousy. I was trying to birdie all the holes - trying to play like a hero...I pressed too hard and did not play well. Also I noticed that scratch golfers bogey many more holes than I thought.

So the next time I played in it - I said to myself, "Just par the hole, somehow. Keep yourself in play so that you can somehow get a par and if he (partner) bogey's - your a hero".

We won our match 4 and 3 and after 15 holes my scorecard showed that I had parred 10! I also had 2 doubles and three bogeys so I was seven over (about a normal round). But this experience CURED me of the "hero shot" complex.

Try this Silver. Of everything you are working on now - tee off thinking bogey. You will keep your drives in play better and you will start thinking of a mentality of getting it close to the green in regulation. "Just want to get it close on this par 4 in two...If I am close to the green in two - I am OK and can go from there".....

Two rounds and let me know how it works. I'll bet your scores will drop....
 

bdcrowe

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Bravo said:
Great job of self examination!

You have plenty to work on and stay with the issues you outlined. They are all good ones...

May I make a suggestion?

Go out and play your next two rounds of golf with a single goal: to bogey every hole. As you stand on the tee - say to yourself: "OK I am playing for bogey here"...

You would be surprised how this can relax you mentally and change your frame of mind as you approach a shot.

I learned this the hard way by playing in multi-club tournament using a format similar to the Ryder Cup. We have two man teams whose handicap must total to ten. As you can imagine, the Captain will put a golfer with a 0 handicap with a 10 or someone with a +1 with a nine...

The first time I played in it - I played lousy. I was trying to birdie all the holes - trying to play like a hero...I pressed too hard and did not play well. Also I noticed that scratch golfers bogey many more holes than I thought.

So the next time I played in it - I said to myself, "Just par the hole, somehow. Keep yourself in play so that you can somehow get a par and if he (partner) bogey's - your a hero".

We won our match 4 and 3 and after 15 holes my scorecard showed that I had parred 10! I also had 2 doubles and three bogeys so I was seven over (about a normal round). But this experience CURED me of the "hero shot" complex.

Try this Silver. Of everything you are working on now - tee off thinking bogey. You will keep your drives in play better and you will start thinking of a mentality of getting it close to the green in regulation. "Just want to get it close on this par 4 in two...If I am close to the green in two - I am OK and can go from there".....

Two rounds and let me know how it works. I'll bet your scores will drop....
B-Rave gives you great advice. You'd be surprised ho many pars you "stumble" upon when thinking bogie and playing at ease. Good luck, brother...
 

DaveE

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I know you have enough reading to do being in law school, but I'm going to suggest a book anyway. Zen Golf by Joseph Parent addresses all of the mental issues you mentioned.

I read the book over the holidays and I'm going through it again now. Some of it is a little too much for me, but most of ideas are fairly practical and I can honestly say I've saved a few strokes because of it.

I'm convinced that once you have learned the basic mechanics of the golf swing that most bad shots come from tension or bad tempo. This is my book to deal with tension. It also deals with course management issues too.

My $.02 :miz:
 

Golfbum

THAT'S SOLID
Jan 14, 2005
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TO BREAK 90, HAVE FUN & BE REALISTIC

I applaud you for wanting to make an effort to improve your scores and game. It takes time to learn the game of golf. I have been playing for 23 years and I am still learning! As an honest 5-6 handicap I know what it takes to break 80. You have to avoid the big score on any given hole. Double and triple boogies must be avoided.

I have a couple of holes on my course that can give me all kinds of nightmares if I am not swinging 100%. One is a par 5, 555 yards, dogleg, over a swamp to the elevated green. Swamp can come into play off the tee depending on the wind direction.

I have learned how to play this hole "The Safe Way" I hit a 3 wood, or even a 5 wood off the tee. Realistically I cannot reach the green in 2 on this hole so why be a hero and hit driver off the tee. This brings the hazard into play. So I lay up off the tee, lay up on the 2nd shot and then hit my 3rd shot over the swamp to the green. At worst I make 6, at best I make birdie. And a hell of a lot of two putt pars on the 2nd hardest hole on the course. Two of the 4 Par 5's on my course have no trouble in front, those are the two I go for in two if I can. They are my eagle/birdie Par 5's.

Point being, this is a tough golf hole on any given day, and if the wind is blowing it is a friggin nightmare! But I play it safe, avoid the double or triple boogie. You have to do the same thing on every hole to break 90. As stated in the post above goes out and try to boogie every hole, I bet you make 4-6 pars along the way if you are a decent putter. So now you are 12-14 over!


You have to know the strengths of your game. I would tend to say you need to work on chipping and putting the most in your practice sessions, as those are the shots that will save you strokes. You can miss hit a drive and still make par. You can't get a missed 3-foot putt back.


Another point, if you do not hit the driver that well then take it out of your bag. Put in a 7 wood, rescue club or another wedge. I play a lot of par 4's with my 3 wood off the tee. I bet if you had an honest look at the difference in yardage between your driver and 3 wood you would be surprised there is not a lot of advantage with the driver.


Before your round take time to hit a few shots to warm up. My preference is not to hit a lot of balls before I play. A few balls with the wedges, 9 irons, 7 irons, 5 irons, 3 woods and then the driver. Chip and putt for 10 minutes or so to get the feel of that.


"PLAY YOUR OWN GAME" Don't let your playing partners talk you into to going for the green on that par 5. Lay up if you cannot reach the green 6 out of 10 times. Be smart with your layups, leave your 3rd shot at a yardage that is comfortable with a wedge or Gap wedge. If you are playing a long par 4 and have more than 225 to the green and you know you can't hit a wood perfectly to get it to the green then lay up short, chip on and try to one putt for par. I used to play with a guy who was 75, and he could make his fair share of pars and could not reach medium length par 4's in regulation. But man could he chip and putt!


Last but least, do not tee it up with the thoughts "I am going to break 80 today" All you do is put pressure on yourself to do so. Some of my best rounds have been on days when I just went out and played and had fun with my partners. no pressure, no expectations.

Let's face it, we are not pros, and a lot of us will not be scratch golfers. I believe the average handicap in North America for men is between 15-20 according to what I have read. So be realistic, play the game, walk and get some exercise, make some new friends and golf will be more fun for you.:)
 

Bravo

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I think the average handicap his higher than 15-20....I don't know where I got this perception but I think it is closer to 20-22ish.

I think the 'average" golfer shoots about a 95 score...
 

Loop

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Avoid having negative thoughts (ie. "not losing your balls"), and get into a positive frame of mind (ie. "I'm having fun").
Also, forget about he birdie and par things. Don't play for the results.
Play each shot at a time, as best you can.
 

Golfbum

THAT'S SOLID
Jan 14, 2005
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Breaking 90

I forgot one very important issue when it comes to shooting good scores.
If you hit a bad shot, forget it, let it go. If you get hacked over it and let it bother you I can almost quarantee the next shot will be just as bad!
Hey you are not perfect and you are going to hit bad shots. The big thing is not to turn that bad shot into a disaster on that hole.
My buddy is always amazed that I can make a boogie on one hole and turn around and have a birdie on the next. Case in point, bad start on a Saturday morning. +4 after 5 holes, proceeded to birdie 6, 7 and 8 and parred 9. +1 after 9.
If you can't let that bad hole or shot go then you are in deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep trouble!

Like Loop says "HAVE FUN"
 
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Silver

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A couple of words - first, thank you all for the advice.

Bravo, that's exactly what I've been trying to get myself to do every time I play (every hole is "par +1"), but I get in way too many thoughts of "oh, but I *know* I can do this!" and end up pooching it, so the next round is all about "par+1".

Loop, that's the mental game element I work on. Even when I get it out of my head and start getting myself to see the shot, I think on a deeper level, I'm still thinking "lost balls" because I continue to do the same things. It'll come, I'll have to give that book a try DaveE, thanks!

And yes, I think the average handicap is higher, because I've heard several times that the average golfer never breaks 100. But I think there's a big difference between the average "casual golfer" and the average "oh my god I love this game" golfer.
 
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Silver

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GB, definitely good advice, but sometimes easier said than done. While I'm sitting there thinking "man, if only that last shot had been better", I think it's still present, but hopefully I can work through that soon enough.
 

Golfbum

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Silver said:
GB, definitely good advice, but sometimes easier said than done. While I'm sitting there thinking "man, if only that last shot had been better", I think it's still present, but hopefully I can work through that soon enough.

Silver there was a great article in Golf Digest, I think it was either Nov or Dec/04 about the mental aspects of the game by Dr Bob Rotella. He is one of the top "Head Shrinks" for PGA players. If you can find that article, read it, then re-read it! I read it twice and will do so again in the spring. It is well worth the price of the magazine.
I was told many years ago by a wise old golfer to forget the last shot, unless it was a great shot. If so tuck it away for another round. If it was a bad shot, try to figure out why, and then walk away. Think about your next shot, the club you might use, where you want to hit that shot. He stated the sooner you can do this the sooner you will improve your game. And damned if it didn't work! Hey my index floats between 5-7 from spring to fall, and trust me I make my fair share of UGLY SHOTS! I think the big difference between a 90's shooter and a 70's shooter is how they recover from those bad shots. I have seen that time and time again with the guys I play with. 3 of us are between 5-7 handicaps, the rest are over 12 and we seem to recover quicker from bad shots than they do.
Have fun with the game, after all it is only a game. Life could be far worse for all of us.:)
 

Rockford35

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I took the "Bogey Golf" approach as a goal for many years.

The last two i've busted my ass to be a better mental player. It really has helped my game. Plus practice. I hit maybe 6 drivers out of an entire bucket. It's all 7 iron in, more on the wedges. And putting. Spedn twice as much time putting as you do practicing. I can't stress that enough.

I was in your shoes a few years back. I don't think I broke 90 this year....in terms of going over 90, that is.

Keep us up to date. This is no quick fix, but it will come as you find your game.

R35
 
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DaveE said:
I know you have enough reading to do being in law school, but I'm going to suggest a book anyway. Zen Golf by Joseph Parent addresses all of the mental issues you mentioned.

I read the book over the holidays and I'm going through it again now. Some of it is a little too much for me, but most of ideas are fairly practical and I can honestly say I've saved a few strokes because of it.

I'm convinced that once you have learned the basic mechanics of the golf swing that most bad shots come from tension or bad tempo. This is my book to deal with tension. It also deals with course management issues too.

My $.02 :miz:

Dave, based largely on your recommendation, as well as that I have heard this book recommended elsewhere, I picked it up yesterday. Haven't had a chance to even open it up yet, but I will keep it handy for when a free moment pops up. I've always been really interested in the "serenity" of zen and Buddhism in general, and while I'm not seeking to "find a new way of life", I think that appreciating certain aspects of the teachings could be very helpful in golf, and in life.

And GB, I'm going to give that a read through right now. While I don't think that I have an "awful" mental game, there are always detractors. Thanks!
 

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