Question about hybrid, and such...

[FATC1TY]

Good grief, you really need to let it go..

I bought these pants because they were cheap.. I decided I didn't want them. I even kept a pair, because I wore them on course, and they were uncomfortable. I still have a pair sitting in the closet waiting for a yardsale..

I return them to the store, unknowing that the stores don't normally take back online purchases. I tell them I don't have the receipt.. because I didn't, it was the slip in the box and the box was tossed.

The woman says it's perfectly fine and tells me I can only exchange. I agree thats fine, and I go find something I'd like.. She rings everything up, and ends up crediting me $44.99 for the pants.. OBVIOUSLY there was a mistake made in their computer or online/store, because I was charged $4.99 for the pants. I had never seen the pants before in the stores, and I didn't know what the original price was.

After she's gone through the trouble of getting the manager, and getting everything taken care of for me, I'm suppose to stop her, and say.. No.. those pants are $5.. You need to charge me more, and re do this transaction?

So you wouldn't take advantage of a pricing mistake in an ad, or in store? You wouldn't try and get a deal for something that was marked clearance, but rings up regular price?

When you pick up a club in the store, and it says $129.99 on the sticker, you think it's a fair price, and it rings up $99.99.. Are you going to ask to have the price raised to $129.99, because thats what the sticker says?

If you do, then power to you..

It's pretty much the same thing. I don't need to do my research and make sure I'm being charged the correct amount, and I've worked retail, and it's something that just happens.

Just drop it already... So I made out on a deal with the expense of a companies mistake.. I'm not going to run back up there to have them charge me more just because it makes some people get all warm and fuzzy.

 

[ginsu]

My point is, it's not worth the trouble to be bitching about it on a golfing website, you won't change the world & getting upset & ranting about how morally corrupt someone is wasting your time.

OK, then, let's make it about golf. Golf is a game of "honor," right? That's why so many of us claim to love this game (at least according to all the rules questions I've seen posted here as I lurked about). We discuss the golf course and the way the game is played as a lesson for life off the course:you call your own penalties, marshal yourself about the course. I've heard it a million times that golf is good for kids b/c it builds character by instilling honesty and fair play, and this is just why I can't wait for my daughter to begin the game; I believe that to be true.

That said, who wants to play a tournament or money round against Fatc1ty? The truest measure of a man's character is what he does when he believes no one is watching. I have yet to break 100; yep, I suck at this game, it's true. But, I know I won't have truly broken through unless I count each shot and stroke by the rules. I play with plenty wqho are "better" than I on the score card, but seem to swing at the ball just as many times as I on the course? Who believes Fat counts 'em all? Stealing is cheating and the point applies to a golf or any other forum. If we stop calling it out, we desensitize ourselves to it and it becomes easier to accept on all fronts. To me it matters, and I stand by Bignose and Eracer on this one; I'd gladly walk 18 with either of them(and many others on this board for that matter) any day as I feel the integrity of the game and those who play it matters to the members of this community.

Fat-you cheated, then bragged about it. You shuld have known criticism would come your way. That said-the hybrid will play close to a 5-wood; all my hybrids play longer than the iron it seemingly replaces.

 

[Bignose]

My point is, it's not worth the trouble to be bitching about it on a golfing website, you won't change the world & getting upset & ranting about how morally corrupt someone is wasting your time.

Maybe, but it'd my time to waste so... <shrug>

 

[Eracer]

Maybe, but it'd my time to waste so... <SHRUG>

Exactly.

I try not to express my judgements about anyone's personal beliefs, be they religious, political, or even moral. When I get into a discussion with anyone here on controversial topics, I try to stick to the debate at hand without moralizing.

But as soon as someone tells me about a crime they committed, especially one that was based on deceit, then I have every right to point a finger. He can rationlize all he wants. And no, I can't change anything. But I won't be silent about it.

 

[Bignose]

Good grief, you really need to let it go..

I bought these pants because they were cheap.. I decided I didn't want them. I even kept a pair, because I wore them on course, and they were uncomfortable. I still have a pair sitting in the closet waiting for a yardsale..

I return them to the store, unknowing that the stores don't normally take back online purchases. I tell them I don't have the receipt.. because I didn't, it was the slip in the box and the box was tossed.

The woman says it's perfectly fine and tells me I can only exchange. I agree thats fine, and I go find something I'd like.. She rings everything up, and ends up crediting me $44.99 for the pants.. OBVIOUSLY there was a mistake made in their computer or online/store, because I was charged $4.99 for the pants. I had never seen the pants before in the stores, and I didn't know what the original price was.

After she's gone through the trouble of getting the manager, and getting everything taken care of for me, I'm suppose to stop her, and say.. No.. those pants are $5.. You need to charge me more, and re do this transaction?

So you wouldn't take advantage of a pricing mistake in an ad, or in store? You wouldn't try and get a deal for something that was marked clearance, but rings up regular price?

When you pick up a club in the store, and it says $129.99 on the sticker, you think it's a fair price, and it rings up $99.99.. Are you going to ask to have the price raised to $129.99, because thats what the sticker says?

If you do, then power to you..

It's pretty much the same thing. I don't need to do my research and make sure I'm being charged the correct amount, and I've worked retail, and it's something that just happens.

Just drop it already... So I made out on a deal with the expense of a companies mistake.. I'm not going to run back up there to have them charge me more just because it makes some people get all warm and fuzzy.

You should have at least informed her of the mistake. If she didn't care or didn't want to change it or couldn't change it -- that's a different story. Then it's on them. The honest thing to do is to inform then of such an egregious error, and put the ball back in their court. If they don't want or can't fix it, then you're in the clear by me.

RE: "So you wouldn't take advantage of a pricing mistake in an ad, or in store? You wouldn't try and get a deal for something that was marked clearance, but rings up regular price?" If an ad lists a wrong price, the store is under no obligation to honor it. Zero. Zilch. Nada. It actually happens all the time. There was a car dealership that was supposed to be advertising a pretty nice car for $29,999 and the newspaper ad listed it for $2,999.

Now, often times, a company will honor the ad, for the good publicity. In the case of this car dealership, they had a raffle (free to enter) to determine one person who they would sell that car to for $2,999. They are under no legal obligation to offer that car for $2,999 to everybody who shows up.

The price on an object is an offer by the store. When you go to the check out, you in return make an offer. Then the store accepts. If the item is mispriced, this is the time when the store gets to reject your offer. This is the way is it because otherwise you could change price tags on items and then "demand" that you only have to pay the price on the sticker. The system is designed to stop people from switching tags and to ameliorate simple honest mistakes.

Like I said, a lot of times companies will honor mis-priced items for the good reputation. But, they are under no obligation to do so.

RE: "When you pick up a club in the store, and it says $129.99 on the sticker, you think it's a fair price, and it rings up $99.99.. Are you going to ask to have the price raised to $129.99, because thats what the sticker says?" Yes. I do. I always ask to make sure that what was rung up is correct if I notice the error.

If you knowingly buy something that rings up $30 cheaper than the sticker price and don't at least ask the cashier about it -- it's stealing again. The store is asking $129.99 for it, unless you've specifically offered to pay less and a representative from that store has agreed to accept less, the ringing up of $99.99 is just a mistake and you should at least bring it to the cashier's attention because it isn't right to just take that money.

If it is right for you to take that money on an item that is rung up incorrectly, then it is exactly as right for companies to charge more than the sticker price and hope the customer doesn't notice. Are you going to support that position?

I don't care if it something that "just happens". It is the taking advantage of the ignorance that is wrong. Had you simply said, "that isn't right, I only paid $4.99 for each pair" and the store workers did nothing -- then you are in the right. But you are in wrong because you knew how much you paid for them, and the store was refunding you much, much more that you had paid for them, and you said nothing. You took advantage of the ignorance. If it is fair for you to take advantage of the store's ignorance, then it is equally as fair for the store to take advantage of your ignorance. It is then equally fair for all stores to try to surreptitiously add 1/2% or a 1% to the end of the total bill and hope that the customer isn't good at math (so that their deceit isn't caught). Is that really the kind of place you want to shop at?

Like Eracer said, you can try to rationalize all you want, but I'm going to call a duck a duck...

 

[MIKE1218]

I wanted to say something as soon as I read the original post. Decided I'll wait for somebody else to say it, then support them. Good job Bignose.

I work in retail. To me this feels like the OP is taking money out of my pocket and all other retail employees. When the store starts to lose profit, employees can be layed off, etc. The truth is that people try things like this all the time. Take merchandise to the cashier then say that it was marked differently on the sales floor. To try to counteract this we have signs marked "Correct prices will ring up at the checkout."

Maybe a few people will know you are a thief, and will most likely forget, but you will ALWAYS know. Maybe you don't believe what you did was wrong, but karma has a way of catching up to you.

 

[ezra76]

I only have one thing to say about it.

PM me the link to where you bought those pants.

 

[Eracer]

I only have one thing to say about it.

PM me the link to where you bought those pants.

Ha ha...good call Ezra.

 

[JEFF4i]

Bignose, perhaps you can couple wisdom with your moral acuity.

You've muddied up a thread discussing a borderline lockable detail, which you could discuss cleanly in a Members Section to a forum that you've yet to contribute to. Or had you thought of that?

My point is; time and place.

 

[Eracer]

Bignose, perhaps you can couple wisdom with your moral acuity.

You've muddied up a thread discussing a borderline lockable detail, which you could discuss cleanly in a Members Section to a forum that you've yet to contribute to. Or had you thought of that?

My point is; time and place.

Sorry my friend, I must disagree. This was the time and place.

 

[footballking732]

I'm totally onboard with Bignose here.

FatCity, if you don't want people making a judgement of your moral character (or lack of one) then don't make the first line of your post a soapbox for your cleverness at stealing money from a store.

You want comments on your golf clubs, fine. But you stole money. Why would you feel the need to tell us that? Do you want to be complimented on your cleverness?

And having told us how you stole money from Dick's, how could you NOT expect negative comments?

From up on my high horse...

Eracer and I see eye to eye on this among many issues

But i am somewhat of a hypocrite on this issue as i have done things similar to this before. I realize that it is wrong, but i was in a tough spot for a bit.

Such as at dicks i was getting a shaft swapped, but the cashier accidentally scanned it as a grip swap, so i ended up saving ~$15. Now i knew immediately that he rang it up wrong, but i just couldnt say anything.

Another time i got a book for free from a survey i did, hardback book worth ~$60 and then i returned it for a barnes and noble gift card.

I am not in any way condoning or recommending what i did, just being honest about myself. In fact i am currently against it, and in agreement with Eracer and others.

 

[Wi-Golfer]

Eracer and I see eye to eye on this among many issues

But i am somewhat of a hypocrite on this issue as i have done things similar to this before. I realize that it is wrong, but i was in a tough spot for a bit.

Such as at dicks i was getting a shaft swapped, but the cashier accidentally scanned it as a grip swap, so i ended up saving ~$15. Now i knew immediately that he rang it up wrong, but i just couldnt say anything.

Another time i got a book for free from a survey i did, hardback book worth ~$60 and then i returned it for a barnes and noble gift card.

I am not in any way condoning or recommending what i did, just being honest about myself. In fact i am currently against it, and in agreement with Eracer and others.

I think you may find out that if folks were 100% honest about it, quite a few here have done something similar. $$$ makes the world go round & is the root of most evil. Bignose has a point but I think he is being a tad bit too critical & morally uptight.

 

[Bignose]

Bignose, perhaps you can couple wisdom with your moral acuity.

You've muddied up a thread discussing a borderline lockable detail, which you could discuss cleanly in a Members Section to a forum that you've yet to contribute to. Or had you thought of that?

My point is; time and place.

Sure, I don't have 8,000 posts, but I do have almost 200. It's not like I joined just to address this issue. I don't speak up a lot. At least part of that is because I've only owned two drivers, two sets of irons, one set of wedges, one putter, two fairway woods, and two hybrids in the last 2 years. Some of the members here go through all that before breakfast. So, I don't have opinions on all the different shafts and heads and grips and stuff because I don't try them all out.

I try to post when I have something to say. I've been a member for almost 2 years now. In real life, I'm pretty quite too, so I'm sorry I haven't posted enough to your satisfaction.

Nevertheless, how does post count change the core of my message? Maybe it could be better talked about in a different part of the forum. Frankly, from my very first post in this thread, a large part of me had wished the mods had just deleted the thread and that would be the end of it. I just don't think leaving the comment unopposed is good for the forum, because someone may take that as the forum and it's members giving an implicit OK to what the OP said. And, I thought that that was wrong.

I knew it would stir up some sh*t. I knew some people wouldn't agree with me. But, I also know that what I said is right, and it needed to be said.

 

[Eracer]

I am not in any way condoning or recommending what i did, just being honest about myself. In fact i am currently against it, and in agreement with Eracer and others.

I think you may find out that if folks were 100% honest about it, quite a few here have done something similar. $$$ makes the world go round & is the root of most evil. Bignose has a point but I think he is being a tad bit too critical & morally uptight.

Nobody's perfect, and we all do things we regret. The point is that we regret it, and we strive to be better people as our life goes on.

It gets harder as you get older - trust me on this. You all know that the world can be a hard place, and the temptation to just say "Screw it, everyone else is taking whatever they can get, so why shouldn't I?" gets stronger. I feel strongly about making my feelings known about people who lie and cheat and feel that it's somehow "OK." I think Bignose does as well.

And if I sound overly critical and high-handed, it's because I just don't want to hear about it on this forum. Like ginsu said, "Golf is a game about honor." That's one of the reasons I like this forum - 99% of the people here are, I feel, very honorable.

I've raised a stink when other members (who I continue to have a good relationship with here, BTW) have mentioned something about how they cheated their way into a "good deal." I raised a stink this time, and I'll keep doing it. You guys know me as a pretty easy-going guy, but some things really rub me the wrong way.

Like you said earlier, Wi...I can't change anything. But please, if any of you lied or cheated to gain something, don't brag about it. I really don't want to know.

 

[FATC1TY]

I don't feel bad about it. If your simply in a position in life where you have no problem paying ANYTHING for something, then by all means ask to pay full price on clearance items because it's got the red sticker.

You might want to be morally sound, but financially, it's not.

I have no problem admitting I didn't catch their mistake. I don't think it's my duty to correct such errors.. If you were selling me something, and told me in a PM it was $4.99, instead of $44.99, and caught it after I paypal'd you, even if I knew it should be more, I certainly wouldn't ASK if that price was correct. If you caught it after the matter, I'd then decided if I wanted the item, or tell you no thanks.

Don't get me wrong.. I'm not low-class, get what I can, when I can person. I make my fair share of bread, and it allows me to live to a comfortable lifestyle with plenty to do. But I don't go around willing to correct peoples mistakes, or police individuals for their behavior or spending habits.

If your upset that Dicks has taken a "loss", or feel as though an employee might be cut because of my "ill actions".. By all means, believe that. I've managed retail at one point in my life. Infact, I worked at a VERY highend retail place, that dealt with theft, knock-off, and personnel theft. I know how computer POS systems work, and how sometimes things get priced wrong. We always honored it, if it was possible.

Regardless of that, I commend you on being so upfront. I'm not hurt by anything. I wouldn't give a shit if someone didn't want to play a round with me because I was dishonest about a transaction. Infact, I would be willing to be more than 60% of the people would do the same thing.

I'm sure my one thread has made this forum look unclassy.. Get real, seriously.. I'm sure your huge fit about this has made a bigger stink.

Mods- You can delete this, or save it.. Lock it, or trash it. I don't care. My question was answered, and I got what I needed to know. More than I needed to know.

Maybe I'll go find another deal, and ask to pay more for it....