The Great Gun Debate

[Dogfish Head]

It is absolutely irrelevant.

If there were 26 kids killed at a school with a screw driver or car would you be looking for some thought process on how to handle the distribution to the general public?

Actually, thought process has already been handled many times on the licensing of drivers in this country. For example, when I started driving in Alabama you could have a full license at 16. You can not get that now until 18. Restrictions were added because they deemed that certain people were not responsible enough to handle an automobile.

Your screw driver example is irrelevant because it doesn't happen. Show me where someone killed 26 people in 2012 with a screw driver and then show me repeated history of this happening before. Guns have this history and the right to own guns should come under greater scrutiny than the right to drive or the right to buy a screw driver.

 

[Wi-Golfer]

It doesn't matter anyway. Hunting has nothing to do with this conversation.

I agree but it's like they pulled this arbitrary number out of the sky and said...hmm 20 is too many so let's make it 5, yes 5 is a good number. Why is 5 rds better than 10-20-30? The supposedly lessened opportunity to inflict more carnage? I already stated with stripper clips I can load 5 rds pretty damn quick so it doesn't matter if I'm limited to only 5 rds because the amount I could shoot won't be lessened in the least. people are just pulling crap out of the air and listening to the talking heads from the mainstream liberal media and suddenly they are freakin gun experts.

 

[eclark53520]

Actually, thought process has already been handled many times on the licensing of drivers in this country. For example, when I started driving in Alabama you could have a full license at 16. You can not get that now until 18. Restrictions were added because they deemed that certain people were not responsible enough to handle an automobile.

Your screw driver example is irrelevant because it doesn't happen. Show me where someone killed 26 people in 2012 with a screw driver and then show me repeated history of this happening before. Guns have this history and the right to own guns should come under greater scrutiny than the right to drive or the right to buy a screw driver.

18 years old is old enough to pilot 2000 lbs of death because it wasn't designed to kill. Yet most states don't allow 18 year olds to carry or even purchase pistols because they're not mature enough. Send them to Iraq with full automatic weapons, but carry a pistol for self defense in their home town, hell no.

Recent history shows that gun crime is declining at a sustained rate. Even with the massive amount of weapons sold in the last 6 years. Explain that one.

 

[Dogfish Head]

I agree but it's like they pulled this arbitrary number out of the sky and said...hmm 20 is too many so let's make it 5, yes 5 is a good number. Why is 5 rds better than 10-20-30? The supposedly lessened opportunity to inflict more carnage? I already stated with stripper clips I can load 5 rds pretty damn quick so it doesn't matter if I'm limited to only 5 rds because the amount I could shoot won't be lessened in the least. people are just pulling crap out of the air and listening to the talking heads from the mainstream liberal media and suddenly they are freakin gun experts.

Maybe if all gun experts and enthusiasts that wanted to debate didn't use the word liberal as an insult this country could have a decent conversation about topics that concern us?

 

[Wi-Golfer]

Maybe if all gun experts and enthusiasts that wanted to debate didn't use the word liberal as an insult this country could have a decent conversation about topics that concern us?

It's not an insult it's a fact, the mainstream media is indeed liberal.

 

[Dogfish Head]

18 years old is old enough to pilot 2000 lbs of death because it wasn't designed to kill. Yet most states don't allow 18 year olds to carry or even purchase pistols because they're not mature enough. Send them to Iraq with full automatic weapons, but carry a pistol for self defense, hell no.

Recent history shows that gun crime is declining at a sustained rate. Even with the massive amount of weapons sold in the last 6 years.

I'm not disagreeing with you that our laws are screwed up nor do I affirm that 18 years old was a right age. It is an individual issue. However, with a large society it is hard to have a general set of rules for govern everyone fairly. That is why we keep having these issues. Personally, I think laws should be in place to punish those that allow access to guns to those who are not old enough to possess them legally or fit enough mentally too. Unfortunately for our recent situation, the person that would have been punished paid for it with her life. Her decision to not secure her weapons cost her her life and many others.

 

[Dogfish Head]

It's not an insult it's a fact, the mainstream media is indeed liberal.

Fox News is mainstream media. In fact they are the highest rated media outlet in America.

 

[BigJim13]

I agree but it's like they pulled this arbitrary number out of the sky and said...hmm 20 is too many so let's make it 5, yes 5 is a good number. Why is 5 rds better than 10-20-30? The supposedly lessened opportunity to inflict more carnage? I already stated with stripper clips I can load 5 rds pretty damn quick so it doesn't matter if I'm limited to only 5 rds because the amount I could shoot won't be lessened in the least. people are just pulling crap out of the air and listening to the talking heads from the mainstream liberal media and suddenly they are freakin gun experts.

For what it's worth I chose my stance after giving it some thought. I didn't listen to any talking heads or the media. I examined why I picked 5 rounds but it a it arbitrary, I was thinking maybe 6 or 7.

But it doesn't matter, my stance in guns is going nowhere. It's just how I feel now.

 

[eclark53520]

I'm not disagreeing with you that our laws are screwed up nor do I affirm that 18 years old was a right age. It is an individual issue. However, with a large society it is hard to have a general set of rules for govern everyone fairly. That is why we keep having these issues. Personally, I think laws should be in place to punish those that allow access to guns to those who are not old enough to possess them legally or fit enough mentally too. Unfortunately for our recent situation, the person that would have been punished paid for it with her life. Her decision to not secure her weapons cost her her life and many others.

Lets say someone breaks into my house and steals my weapon. I should be held accountable for them breaking into my house and stealing my weapon?

Surely that's not where you're going with that. Right?

I'm assuming you mean that there should be stiff penalties for those who willingly allow people who shouldn't have weapons to get them. In that case, I agree with you.

 

[Wi-Golfer]

Fox News is mainstream media. In fact they are the highest rated media outlet in America.

That's one station, add up all the others CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC,, etc. Every single one of those is left wing liberal. Exactly what is it about Fox that gets so many liberals panties bunched up? And for the record i'm not a freakin conservative either. I don't care for Obama and his do nothing tactics the past 4 yrs, but aside from elections featuring the chosen one I have voted democrat every other time.

 

[Dogfish Head]

Lets say someone breaks into my house and steals my weapon. I should be held accountable for them breaking into my house and stealing my weapon?

Surely that's not where you're going with that. Right?

I'm assuming you mean that there should be stiff penalties for those who willingly allow people who shouldn't have weapons to get them. In that case, I agree with you.

I believe reasonable security of your weapons should be expected. For example, when you are not at home and you have a mentally unstable child you should take further precautions to make sure they do not have access to guns. Negligence laws exist for a variety of other crimes and attention should be paid to whether or not they should be expanded for guns.

 

[eclark53520]

I believe reasonable security of your weapons should be expected. For example, when you are not at home and you have a mentally unstable child you should take further precautions to make sure they do not have access to guns. Negligence laws exist for a variety of other crimes and attention should be paid to whether or not they should be expanded for guns.

I agree with the child thing.

 

[Dogfish Head]

That's one station, add up all the others CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC,, etc. Every single one of those is left wing liberal. Exactly what is it about Fox that gets so many liberals panties bunched up? And for the record i'm not a freakin conservative either. I don't care for Obama and his do nothing tactics the past 4 yrs, but aside from elections featuring the chosen one I have voted democrat every other time.

You might not be conservative but you are pretty stubborn with your statements. People throw the word fact around way too often on the internet. It's pointless to continue conversation about this if you truly believe the "liberals" (Nothing like continued political segregation of our population to bring us together) control the media out right.

 

[Dogfish Head]

I agree with the child thing.

Mentally unstable anyone. I used child to refer to her son, though he is not a child in the eyes of the law. He was, however, mentally unstable and was afforded easy access to weapons (not only that but also trained by his mother).

 

[eclark53520]

Mentally unstable anyone. I used child to refer to her son, though he is not a child in the eyes of the law. He was, however, mentally unstable and was afforded easy access to weapons (not only that but also trained by his mother).

I agree...mentally unstable should not be allowed easy access to firearms.