So, I had a little experiment yesterday on the par 5's. The par 4's at Papago were playing 530, 464, 491, and 508 from the whites. I played 2 balls. On the first ball I played it regular like: driver, fairway, then whatever it needed. The second ball I played it safe: 4H, 4H, then wedge (I hit my 4h about 200). I pared all eight balls but I had better birdie chances on the 4H balls. Makes you wonder.