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Took me a while to grasp that as well. Can anybody expain why that is?
Wikipedia said:
How it works

A single-track vehicle such as a bicycle or a motorcycle is an inverted pendulum—it will fall over unless balanced.

The technique used by cyclists and motorcyclists to initiate turning in a given direction is to first apply a steering torque to the desired direction (eg "push [the] left [handlebar end]"). Under this force the front wheel will rotate to turn right and the front tire will generate forces to the right. The machine as a whole steers to the right momentarily and the rear tire also generates forces to the right. Because the forces are applied at ground level this pulls the wheels "out from under" the motorcycle and to its right. The resulting roll angle to the left causes the tires to thrust to the left and provides the centripetal forces required to turn left. The geometry of the steering system provides the forces necessary for the front wheel to adopt an angle turned into the turn in a conventional manner[3].

While this appears a complex sequence of motions it is in fact known subconsciously to every child who can ride a bicycle.

The entire sequence goes largely unnoticed by most riders which is why some will assert that they don't do it.

It is often boiled down to "push left to go left".

It is often claimed that two-wheeled vehicles can be steered using only weight shifts. While this is true for small "trim" inputs to direction, complex maneuvers are not possible using weightshifting alone because even for a light machine there is insufficient control authority.[4] Although on a sufficiently light bike (especially a bicycle), the rider can initiate a lean and turn by shifting body weight,[1], there is no evidence in the literature that complex maneuvers can be performed by bodyweight alone [2].

It is also important to distinguish the momentary steering torque necessary to initiate the lean required for a given turn from the sustained steering torque and steering angle necessary to maintain a constant radius and lean angle until it is time to exit the turn. The initial, momentary steer torque and angle are both opposite the desired turn direction. The sustained steer angle is in the same direction as the turn. The sustained steer torque required to maintain that steer angle is either with or opposite the turn direction depending on forward speed, bike geometry, and combined bike and rider mass distribution.

[edit] Need to lean to turn

A bike can negotiate a curve only when the combined center of mass of bike and rider leans toward the inside of the turn, at an angle appropriate for the velocity and the radius of the turn:

\theta = \arctan \left (\frac{v^2}{gr}\right )

where v is the forward speed, r is the radius of the turn and g is the acceleration of gravity.[1]

Higher speeds and tighter turns require greater lean angles. If the mass is not first leaned into the turn, the inertia of the rider and bike will cause them to continue in a straight line as the tires track out from under them along the curve. The transition of riding in a straight line to negotiating a turn is a process of leaning the bike into the turn, and the only way to cause that lean (of the combined center of mass of bike and rider) is to move the support points in the opposite direction first.[5] The rider can shift his weight of course, but any force used to move one way laterally pushes the bike laterally the opposite direction with equal force. That makes the bike lean (and can affect the steering), but it does not change the combined center of mass of bike and rider.

[edit] Lean by countersteering

When riding a bicycle or a motorcycle, countersteering is a method of initiating a turn by a small, momentary turn of the front wheel, usually via the handlebars, in the opposite (counter) direction. This moves the pivot point (the wheels' contact patches) out from under the center of mass to establish the lean angle for a turn. While necessary at all speeds, the need to countersteer becomes more noticeable as speed increases.

Hence, if a rider wants to turn to the right, he first throws the bike off balance by momentarily pointing the front wheel slightly to the left. The center of mass of the bike plus rider will continue in a straight line, but the contact patches of the tires move to the left with respect to this straight line.

[edit] Once lean is achieved

As the desired angle is approached, the front wheel must then be steered into the turn to maintain that angle or the bike will continue to lean with gravity, increasing in rate, until the side contacts the ground. This process usually requires little physical effort, because the geometry of the steering system of most bikes is designed in such a way that the front wheel has a strong tendency to steer in the direction of a lean.

The actual torque the rider must apply to the handlebars in order to maintain a steady-state turn is a complex function of bike geometry, mass distribution, rider position, turn radius, and forward speed. At low speeds, the steering torque necessary from the rider is usually negative, that is opposite the direction of the turn, even when the steering angle is in the direction of the turn. At higher speeds, the direction of the necessary input torque inverts to become positive, that is in the same direction as the turn.[6]

[edit] Adjusting or exiting a turn

Once in a turn, countersteering is again required to make changes to its shape. The only way to decrease the radius at the same speed is to increase the lean angle, and the only way to increase the lean angle, is again to momentarily steer opposite to the direction of the curve. To the untrained, this can be extremely counter-intuitive.

To exit a turn, countersteer by momentarily steering further in the direction of the turn. This tilts the bike back upright.

[edit] At low speeds

At low speeds countersteering is equally necessary, but the countersteering is then so subtle that it is hidden by the continuous corrections that are made in balancing the bike, often falling below a just noticeable difference or threshold of perception of the rider. Countersteering at low speed may be further concealed by the ensuing much larger steering angle possible in the direction of the turn.

[edit] Subconscious behavior

Countersteering is indispensable for bike steering. Most people are not consciously aware that they employ countersteering when riding their bike any more than they are aware of the physics of walking. Their bodies have learned to include the well timed countersteering jolt.

As is well-known in bicycle racing, the countersteering phenomenon becomes evident when there is an obstacle preventing the wheel from countersteering (e.g., when closely overlapping wheels or riding very close to a curb). In these situations, the only way to initiate a turn away from the obstacle is to come into contact with it, that is, turn towards the wheel or curb in order to avoid crashing into it.[5] Lack of understanding of this principle leads to accidents in novice bicycle races.

[edit] Gyroscopic effects

One effect of turning the front wheel is a roll moment caused by gyroscopic precession. The magnitude of this moment is proportional to the moment of inertia of the front wheel, its spin rate (forward motion), the rate that the rider turns the front wheel by applying a torque to the handlebars, and the cosine of the angle between the steering axis and the vertical.[6]

For a sample motorcycle moving at 22 m/s (50 mph) that has a front wheel with a moment of inertia of 0.6 kgm2, turning the front wheel one degree in half a second generates a roll moment of 3.5 Nm. In comparison, the lateral force on the front tire as it tracks out from under the motorcycle reaches a maximum of 50 N. This, acting on the 0.6 m (2 ft) height of the center of mass, generates a roll moment of 30 Nm.

While the moment from gyroscopic forces is only 12% of this, it can play a significant part because it begins to act as soon as the rider applies the torque, instead of building up more slowly as the wheel out-tracks. This can be especially helpful in motorcycle racing.

[edit] No hands

This is how countersteering works when riding no-hands. In order to turn left, a rider applies a momentary torque, either at the seat via the legs or in the torso that causes the bike itself to lean to the right. The combined center of mass of the bike and rider is only lowered, of course. However, if the front of the bike is free to swivel about its steering axis, the lean to the right will cause it to steer to the right by some combination of gyroscopic precession (as mentioned above), ground reaction forces, gravitational force on an off-axis center of mass, or simply the inertia of an off-axis center of mass, depending on the exact geometry and mass distribution of the particular bike, and the amount of torque and the speed at which it is applied.[1][7]

This countersteering to the right causes the ground contact to move to the right of the center of mass, as the bike moves forward, thus generating a leftward lean. Finally the front end steers to the left and the bike enters the left turn. The amount of leftward steering necessary to balance the leftward lean appropriate for the forward speed and radius of the turn is controlled by the torque generated by the rider, again either at the seat or in the torso.

To straighten back out of the turn, the rider simply reverses the procedure for entering it: cause the bike to lean farther to the left; this causes it to steer farther to the left which moves the wheel contact patches farther to the left, eventually reducing the leftward lean and exiting the turn.

The reason this no-hands steering is less effective on heavy bikes, such as motorcycles is that the rider weighs so much less than the bike that leaning the torso with respect to the bike does not cause the bike to lean far enough to generate anything but the shallowest turns. Riders may be able to keep a bike centered in a lane and negotiate shallow highway turns, but not much else.

10charhorseshit
 
Seriously though, I do disagree with the better nutrition and fatter in general assumption. While I'm sure those (and augmentation) to play a role I would bet that hormones in our meat, poultry, and dairy products makes a much larger contribution. If it is getting injected into the animals and we're eating these animals...

I'm eating animals like they're going out of style, and my unit ain't growing worth a damn.

Where's your logic now, Einstein? :D

R35
 

Yep.

Here you go, Jeffy.

R35

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You're more into chimps? :D

R35

Look, guys, if I'm going to reach across the species gap, y'all know its going to be something like a spider monkey!
 
Obvious... A certain Wisconsin golfer spends his spare time watching monkeys having sex in a cage.

Less obvious... This same Wisconsin golfer admits it on a golf forum open for all the world to read!

Yeah, but that would apply to just about all of them.

Not going NEAR any of the rest of this stuff.
 
I'm eating animals like they're going out of style, and my unit ain't growing worth a damn.

Where's your logic now, Einstein? :D

R35

Now that you mention, I'm starting to feel a little cheated as well...
 
Now that you mention, I'm starting to feel a little cheated as well...

Dunno about guys', but women's clothes sizes keep shrinking. Every so often, it seems the definition of what's a size 6, 8, 10, whatever changes, and everyone is one size smaller. All totally ego. So maybe it goes the other way with underwear.
 
Dunno about guys', but women's clothes sizes keep shrinking. Every so often, it seems the definition of what's a size 6, 8, 10, whatever changes, and everyone is one size smaller. All totally ego. So maybe it goes the other way with underwear.
Who the hell wears underwear anymore?

Omit fallin for ballin in that famous song about fallin...ifyanowutimean
 
Who the hell wears underwear anymore?

Omit fallin for ballin in that famous song about fallin...ifyanowutimean

You're forgetting that "sag" can be an issue later in life.

Plus underwear can be worn for 4 days in a row. Frontwards, backwards, inside and out. :prop:

R35
 
You're forgetting that "sag" can be an issue later in life.

Plus underwear can be worn for 4 days in a row. Frontwards, backwards, inside and out. :prop:

R35
Hey man...when i'm 80+ and in the nursing home...i'm going to be showing the nurses how a real man does the helicopter....untill of course i break a hip...
 
Obvious... A certain Wisconsin golfer spends his spare time watching monkeys having sex in a cage.

Less obvious... This same Wisconsin golfer admits it on a golf forum open for all the world to read!

limpalong

Does it make any difference that my wife was standing alongside me watching it too? :biglol:
 

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