Calling all avid Gun owners if there are any

[Rockford35]

Nothing has come close to warranting a bunker job.

For those that don't know, from a scientific explanation (and not a tree hugger standpoint, which is often hard to seperate), Global Warming is a farce.

Anyone that looks at glacial tests will see this to brutally obvious.

Just an aside.

And Bames, percentages aren't the same as actual numbers. A 5% representation is still 5% of the overall pool. Whether you have 30 million or 300 million, 5% is still the same representation. Do the math on the numbers, you'll see what i mean.

R35

 

[warbirdlover]

Posted by R35: For those that don't know, from a scientific explanation (and not a tree hugger standpoint, which is often hard to seperate), Global Warming is a farce.

Hey, we agree on something!!! It is known cold/hot dry/wet cycles occur over years. These "scientists" are making huge dollars "speaking" on this topic without having a solution. That is easy money. My only concern is all the rain forests they're hacking down. No trees, no oxygen. Gasp. Gasp.

Posted by TH: As far as the original question: my dad who's a police officer bought my mom a .45 for self-defense like a decade ago and she likes it. So far she's only shot 4 people, all of whom deserved it for one reason or another. just kidding, she has only used it on a shooting range.

You made my day, LOL!!

 

[SiberianDVM]

Guns are in the hands of criminals. With criminals like this running around, I do not want to be sitting in my home defenseless.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15047117/

 

[Bravo]

Nothing has come close to warranting a bunker job.

For those that don't know, from a scientific explanation (and not a tree hugger standpoint, which is often hard to seperate), Global Warming is a farce.

Anyone that looks at glacial tests will see this to brutally obvious.

Just an aside.

And Bames, percentages aren't the same as actual numbers. A 5% representation is still 5% of the overall pool. Whether you have 30 million or 300 million, 5% is still the same representation. Do the math on the numbers, you'll see what i mean.

R35

Agreed on all three points here...no bunkering needed...Global Warming is Chicken Little and indeed percentages are percentages.....

 

[bames]

FACT: Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:
In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:

373 people in Germany
151 people in Canada
57 people in Australia
19 people in Japan
54 people in England and Wales, and
11,789 people in the United States

FACT: Among 26 industrialized nations, 86% of gun deaths among children under age 15 occurred in the United States.

R35

I was referring to these numbers. On all others I agree with your explanation. But I'm saying that if there are 300,000,000 Americans we are bound to have more homicides by gun than 30,000,000 Canadiens. Does that make sense?

Oh and by the way -- couldn't agree more on the global warming issue. I cannot tell you how many engineering conferences I've been to that make the claims in the media look completely absurd. I just came from one where the keynote speaker is the person in charge of measuring all of the snowfall and precipitation for the past 35 years. You should hear what he has to say. I won't bore anyone but would be happy to PM anyone with a few details if interested.

 

[Pa Jayhawk]

You're just being silly now.

Funny you should mention this, that is my exact thought when people try to convince me that no one is responsible enough to handle firearms, and should be stripped of that right simple because you only hear about the people who use them in a manner or for a reason that is not responsible. Again, if we are judging an entire society simple based on the bad apples, how are automobiles any different.

I certainly only use my vehicle for entertainment reasons at this point. Yet I do not want to give up that right when I still act responsibly behind the wheel.

 

[warbirdlover]

Bames, PM me some of that stuff. I love to argue global warming.

 

[smileyrose]

Not So Dirty Harry!

.44 magnum.......

dirty harry is the man...

Oh I see .44 magnum and sorry, I was thinking of the 'not' so dirty harry

 

[DouginGA]

Of course we have to fear global warming!!! If we are not afraid of something we wouldnt need the government to protect us !! I am finally calming down about the Y2K threat. thank the government we made it thru that one ok . still live in fear of global warming, avian flu, west nile, etc.

 

[Pa Jayhawk]

I am finally calming down about the Y2K threat. thank the government we made it thru that one ok .

Thank all the programmers that sat on their hands, which held their beepers and cell phones, while the rest of the world paniced

I do remember carrying that beeper thinking "It's New Years Eve, and it's under control". Although I had the advantage of knowing our company had a client in New Zealand, and they were the guinea pigs should there be a problem, it gave us a half day to iron out the wrinkles. Fortunately there were no wrinkles in my industry, just alot of wasted money.

I still thought the Power companies should have played a cruel joke and hit the power switch right at midnight for just a few seconds. Be thankful me and my twisted since of humor did not work for the power company.

 

[TheWOAT]

I am looking for the link.... but I believe there was a study showing that homes with swimming pools were more dangerous to children than homes with hand guns. BAN SWIMMING POOLS !!!

I think the gun related deaths are a sign of the drug use problems here in the US, and the battles over who gets to sell those drugs, but that would be another thread entirely.

BTW: Global Warming is real, and computer simulations are 100 percent accurate and should never be questioned. j/k

 

[EnglishGolfer]

Funny you should mention this, that is my exact thought when people try to convince me that no one is responsible enough to handle firearms, and should be stripped of that right simple because you only hear about the people who use them in a manner or for a reason that is not responsible. Again, if we are judging an entire society simple based on the bad apples, how are automobiles any different.

I certainly only use my vehicle for entertainment reasons at this point. Yet I do not want to give up that right when I still act responsibly behind the wheel.

Quite simply our way of living, business, commerce, communication, transportation etc could not exist how they are without cars. Also when was the last time someone was mugged at car point? Deaths caused by cars must almost entirely be down to accidents rather than intentional, coud the same be said of guns?

 

[Pa Jayhawk]

Quite simply our way of living, business, commerce, communication, transportation etc could not exist how they are without cars. Also when was the last time someone was mugged at car point? Deaths caused by cars must almost entirely be down to accidents rather than intentional, coud the same be said of guns?

That is like saying "When was someone had a head on collision with a gun?"

I understand our society relies more on automobiles to get by, but does that simply make them any less dangerous? I think this is my point. Since when did it become O.K. to eliminate freedoms and rights simply based on necessity. You do understand that a golf course can be a very dangerous place if you put clubs in the wrong hands? Should we do away with the sport simply because people can be injured and it is not vital in most being able to earn a living for most?

You have now finally stumbled onto the big point that most choose to ignore in the effort to say guns kill people, not people. That being "intent". Again, the object whether it be a vehicle or a weapon is inanimate until put in motion by the operator. And yes, there are quite a few deaths in the US of the vehicular nature that are not accidents, it is called road rage. And how many drunken driving accidents kill people every year, that is far from being considered an accident, are you going to argue that is any less of a crime. It is illegal to operate vehicles under the influence, or speed, or miss stop signs, yet people do so at the risk of killing others on a daily basis. You can't argue "intent" on one side of this equation. The are alot of gun owners who have no "intent" of ever doing harm, yet we insist on judging them based on the actions of criminals that do not belong on the street. What is the attitude with vehicles? Get the bad apples off the road and put them behind bars, yet with guns it is assumed that doing away with the guns will do away with the criminals, as though criminals are too stupid to find another method.

Really what you mention here is the key, why would responsible people be willing to give up freedoms simply because it is not a vital part of society, and once you give people the authority to do so, what will be next when they become bored that only criminals have guns.

Golf Course are a big waste of valuable space, serve little purpose, and can be dangerous to the surrounding public. Are you willing to give up your clubs simply because people do not understand the value, and that most golfers are very responsible.

It is all about freedoms and rights. If they pursued half the laws on the books already regulating firearms, there would not be a problem. Instead it is easier and more convenient to try and further regulate as opposed to following up on what has been "accomplished" over the years. Most weapons used in crimes are illegally obtained, why is this to often ignore. How are you going to prevent criminals from obtain weapons, when they do so illegally already. If the weapons used in crimes are already illegal, you think further going after the legal weapons is really the answer.

 

[SiberianDVM]

Deaths caused by cars must almost entirely be down to accidents rather than intentional, coud the same be said of guns?

Too easy :

Wife who ran over husband with the Merc gets 20 years
[SIZE=-1]By C. Bryson Hull
February 16 2003


The Texas jury that found dentist Clara Harris guilty of murder for running her cheating husband over with a Mercedes-Benz sentenced her to 20 years in prison yesterday, bringing her tale of love gone sour to a close on her 11th wedding anniversary.
Harris, a 45-year-old native of Colombia and former beauty queen, sank into her chair, put her hands over face and wept after state district judge Carol Davies read the jury's decision, reached after six hours' deliberation.
Three of the nine women on the 12-person jury also cried, as did Harris's 17-year-old stepdaughter Lindsey Harris, whose dramatic testimony was the key to the prosecution's case.
Clara Harris could have been jailed for up to 99 years but the jury found she had acted in "sudden passion", which put the maximum at 20 years.
The mother of four-year-old twin boys will not be eligible for parole until she has served 10 years.

Harris ran over orthodontist David Harris, 44, on July 24 last year in the parking lot of a Houston-area hotel where he had gone with girlfriend Gail Bridges. She claimed it was an accident but prosecutors said it was intentional.
Lindsey Harris told the court how she had witnessed her father's death from the passenger seat of the Mercedes. Her stepmother had clearly intended to run over her father, she said.
According to testimony in the three-week-long trial, the Harrises were happily married and running their lucrative dental practices until early last year. That is when David Harris began an affair with Ms Bridges, his office receptionist.
He agreed to stop seeing her after eliciting promises that his wife would lose weight and get breast implants. He told her he would break up with Ms Bridges over dinner on July 24.
But a suspicious Clara Harris found her husband and his lover at a hotel that night, striding out of the elevator, holding hands and smiling. Enraged, Harris charged in swinging at and striking Ms Bridges until her husband, a martial arts enthusiast, threw her to the ground.
After the brawl, David Harris told his wife their marriage was "over" and left to escort Ms Bridges toher truck. That was when Clara Harris, accompanied by her stepdaughter, wheeled her Mercedes towards her husband and ran him down, prosecutors said.
Lindsey Harris has filed a wrongful death case against her stepmother.
After her father's death, Lindsey said, her school grades dropped and her interest in cheerleading evaporated. She broke up with her boyfriend and is estranged from her grandparents - David Harris's parents - "because they forgave Clara for what she did".
"I don't know why they're doing this to my poor dad," she said.
Lindsey testified that in the weeks following the murder, the numbness slowly turned to depression. She sought help from a counsellor and medication but it was all too much.
"I tried to slit my wrists, more than once," she said. At this, Clara Harris took a sharp breath and began to cry.
"I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Lindsey," she called out, standing as the weeping teenager and jurors were led from the courtroom.
Harris has cried throughout the trial, annoying prosecutors who claimed it was a bid for juror sympathy. Denying a prosecution motion to remove Harris from the courtroom for this latest outburst, Judge Davies told the red-eyed Harris: "I will give you one last chance. Don't blow it or you will be out of this courtroom."
"Thank you, your honour," Harris said softly.
Gerald Harris, David's father, took the stand on Thursday to explain why he still supports his daughter-in-law. He denied Lindsey's contention that his son's multimillion-dollar estate was the motivating force.
"This tragedy was a very strong blow against our family," said Mr Harris, a former high school principal. "But God forgave us for our sins. We feel like a member of our family has erred and that we should forgive that."
"She is a member of my family and I would not turn away from her," he said.

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/15/1044927854202.html [/SIZE]

 

[EnglishGolfer]

Too easy :

Wife who ran over husband with the Merc gets 20 years
[SIZE=-1]By C. Bryson Hull


This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/15/1044927854202.html [/SIZE]

Oh well then, that showed me, it must be an every day occurrence :biglol: